Fox News Glenn Beck vs CNN Glenn Beck on healthcare

If I had money, I would bet that this poster if a lefty


I agree with the original post, but all those guys make a ton of money doing what they do!

 

Of course you have conservatives like myself that:

1. Don't give a damn what Rush says.
2. Realize that he is an entertainer and a showman.
3. Are too busy during the day working at my job to even know what Rush said.

Rush is a talk show host. His job is to say things that stir the pot and entice people to call. That is how he earns his bloated paycheck.

 

Are you really arguing that all conservatives are saying that? Really? Did you hear me say that? No, you didn't. Most conservatives I talk to don't think that. We have misgivings about the current proposal, but they are not based on some evil intention.

Again...for the second time...so we are clear...all you are hearing are the wingnuts that have the time and desire to spew crap and that the media will put on the air because it will generate ratings. Controversy creates cash.

Although I suspect you know this already and are intentionally being obtuse.

 

But here's the problem: the Republican leadership doesn't denounce what Rush says. You NEVER hear them decry the absolute venom that Rush, O'Reilly, Beck et. al. spew, and because of that, the venom goes unchecked. People begin to think they're being told the truth by these talking heads, and they go to town hall meetings frothing at the mouth and packing firearms. Of course I don't believe that all conservatives are like that, but the PARTY of the conservative movement is doing nothing about it, and are complicit in my eyes. I'm sorry to say, Refman, that you run the risk of being labeled guilty by association.

 

I will heed that warning Senator McCarthy.

 

You sound like you want to silience anyone who has a different view point than you, lenin would be proud

Oh crap, someone is spewing a different viewpoint. Lets all denounce them and demand that they get fired

 

First of all, I was respectful of you and your opinions, defending the majority of the conservative movement, so you can dial back the attitude, pal.

Secondly, I didn't attack you personally, so to call me names is uncalled for Mr. Limbaugh.

Thirdly, you didn't even address my central point: that conservative leadership have done nothing to stem the flow of misinformation, distortions, and outright lies that Rush, O'Reilly, Beck et. al. have been producing. Rather than address this issue, you've resorted to name-calling. Is this really how you hope to avoid all conservatives being labeled as "wingnuts"?

 

Different viewpoints are fine: I welcome them. But spreading stories about "death panels" and such aren't "different viewpoints": they're outright lies. The Republican Party should denounce them as such.

 

He's suggesting people speak up, and you translate that as him trying to silence people? Did you even read his post? Reading comprehension on this forum sucks.

 

Speak up on what, denouncing free speech?

 

Rodan, let me break it down for you. Pretend you are a 40-story-tall winged monster. You tend to get lumped in with other monsters. Let's say another monster, named Godzilla, makes nice with the liberal humans of Tokyo and frolics there with his little stay-puff looking son, looking all cute.

Let's say you are more of an old-school, squack-and-awe monster, but if you never, ever caw or act, the people of Tokyo just assume Godzilla speaks for you too, and that you love the people of Tokyo.

So the asking to speak up is NOT trying to shut Godzilla up, the poster was (by analogy), asking Rodan to speak his own bird-sized mind if he disagrees with Godzilla.

 

Labeling people without addressing the substance. The tiny tent welcomes you.

 

Here's another example.

I disagreed completely with Bush and Congress's decision to attack Iraq. Thought it was stupid.

BUT once we were there, I didn't want to quit in the middle. So when Cindy Sheehan (sp) or whatever was out there protesting in Crawford, I said I thought it was dumb and that Cindy didn't speak for me. Then she came and ran for office in San Francisco, and I spoke up about how dumb she was and that she would make a terrible public servant.

Nobody is asking Glenn Beck to shut the hell up (though it would do the world a lot of good; there would be someone else ready to exploit an audience's fear and laziness for personal gain). We are asking the Refmans of the conservative world to speak up.

 

Look, it's really quite simple: there are only three possibilities here. Either:

A. You think Beck, O'Reilly, Rush et. al. are misrepresenting the truth and you believe the majority of Republicans agree, in which case the Republican leaders should speak out against these lies.

or

B. You think Beck, O'Reilly, Rush et. al. are misrepresenting the truth but you believe the majority of Republicans disagree, in which case you should question whether or not you've aligned yourself with the correct side.

or

C. You think Beck, O'Reilly, Rush et. al. are telling the truth.

Which is it?

 

I really think you haven't watched much of Bill O'Reilly if you're comparing him to Rush. I agree with him on some things, but certainly not all things and I fail to see how or why he should be censored and/or spoken out against.

 

They both make up stuff that is knowingly factually incorrect and repeat it over and over as fact.

 

lol, you defend lefties for speaking their mind yet righties have god complexes whatever the heck that means..........

Its ok to be partisan, but you have to at least agree that both sides are only looking to advance their views onto the public. There is no difference between Bill Maher, Hannity, etc.

My tiny tent is better than your tiny tent, blah blah blah.....

 

Sounds kind of like Keith Olbermann or anyone else on MSNBC.

 

There is a difference between Mahr and people like Rush, and Beck, and possibly Hannity.

Rush and Beck are lying about what's in the health care bill. They are saying things that aren't true about it. Bill Maher, isn't making false claims.

 

You're trying to debate a characterization you admittedly don't understand? Is that you Glen Beck?