Fox News Glenn Beck vs CNN Glenn Beck on healthcare

Ummm, only an idiot knows another idiot.

Stewart exposes Beck, therefore he is an idiot.

 

It's idiotic to expose hypocrisy? I'd like to be aware if the person I'm listening to (Beck) is telling me information he doesn't himself believe in.

 

windbag gloating idiot = windbag gloating idiot

 

Wait - so you're suggesting intelligent people are incapable of recognizing idiots?

 

Doesn't that make you...

 

McAdams is cute as a button and Stewart just has good comedic instincts.

 

an idiot...?

 

Winner.

This pretty much says it all. I could not possibly agree more.

 

I was watching this on The Daily show classic stuff

 

According to your rational you are one too.

 

Not so much. Stewart, Maher,and Franken are comedians. Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, and O'Rielly have god complexes.

 

Bill Maher stopped being a comedian and started being a political commentator with his HBO show. Jon Stewart stopped being a comedian when people started watching his show and quoting it as a news source (perception is reality), and Franken stopped being a comedian and became a Senator.

They all have God complexes and they are all windbags that try to use their celebrity to sway public opinion. Sadly, this works really well with the "attention span of a fruit fly" MTV generation.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/02/senator-franken-relishes-_n_249469.html

Franken as a Senator may not be quite as crazy as Franken as a comedian.

Senator Franken Relishes Policy Role In New Position




WASHINGTON — Just weeks into his Senate term, Al Franken's portfolio compares favorably to any of the Senate's freshman members. He loves policy. He has signed on as co-sponsor to a half dozen bills, asked thoughtful questions of Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, and immersed himself in a thorny debate over health care reform.

Before he was seated, Franken and his aides intoned he would take a path well-trod by already-famous Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama before him. The idea is to work hard, pick a few issues and do your best to drown your celebrity by focusing on the detail of day-to-day work in the Senate.

There is nothing flashy about Franken's first legislative victory. The Service Dog Veterans Act, which Franken introduced with Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., will set up a pilot program with Department of Veterans Affairs to pair service dogs with wounded veterans.

"He sought me out and I was happy to work with him," Isakson said of Franken. "He'd done his homework, he was very informed. It was obvious he was trying to hit the ground running."

Isakson said he came away impressed.

"All of us know in the Senate your reputation is the sum of all the days you serve, not just one event, but he appears to be trying very hard."

Franken's committee assignments, including seats on the Judiciary Committee and on the Senate Health, Education, Labor & Pensions panel, have ensured that he is involved with two of Washington's most pressing matters.

During the Sotomayor hearings, Franken said he did not particularly enjoy being on camera, but was happy he was able to ask illuminating questions to the judge. He brimmed with pride when he discussed praise from Dahlia Lithwick, a legal writer for Slate magazine, who praised his performance.
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"The wonkiest wonk in all of wonkdom," he said, of Lithwick.

Franken took particular pride in a small, almost procedural victory. During his questioning Franken said he was able to get Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., and the ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee to acknowledge there are so-called conservative "activist judges" as well as liberals.

"I thought that was a victory," he said in an interview with The Associated Press. "Every conservative would say I want someone who's not a judicial activist and won't make law from the bench but that's exactly what Justice Thomas is doing. So I was proud of that."

Democrats have appreciated Franken's ability to get up to speed quickly on the issues.

"He really understands the sort of workings of government and how policy is developed and the effect it has," said Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, who is chairman of the health, education, labor and pensions committee. "This is not some passing fancy of his. This is something he's been intellectualizing on and studying for many, many years."

Harkin said that though Franken did not join the HELP Committee before it finished its markup, he has been a "quick study" and was doing what he could to build consensus on the issue. Though some Republicans threatened to go to war if Franken was seated, Harkin said he's seen Franken quietly chatting up Republicans in the Senate's well.

"He's a very friendly guy and very outgoing," Harkin said. "He's an easy guy to get to know."

Franken told the AP he was proud of the fact that Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, was one of the first senators of either party to greet him after he was sworn in. He said he plans to work with Republicans as often as he can on as many issues as he can.

Democrats, meanwhile, quietly appreciate Franken's decision to avoid grabbing the spotlight. Apart from a few encounters coming on and off the Senate floor, Franken has largely avoided national media and broadcast outlets, granting interviews to media with a Minnesota focus. On national issues he has deferred to his Senate elders.

If you listen to Franken, there's plenty of other things he can be doing besides talking.

Like policy.

"I've got a lot of work to do," he told the AP. "I've got to get up to speed very, very quickly, so I'm focused on that."

 

Conservatives do not want health care reform to press ahead because it is not their team making the move, and that decision greatly harms our nation.

 

Many conservatives (like myself) want health care reform to pass. We just are not certain about the present proposal due to the enormous cost with little guidance as to how it would be paid for.

You should probably stop painting with such a broad brush.

That being said, is it really surprising that the parties are fighting about this? When was the last time something was truly bipartisan?

 

I've noticed that you've posted in two threads a response like this when someone did a blanket 'Conservatives are...' statement.

Do you think that more self-identified conservatives have beliefs similar to your own, or do you think the wingnut birther irrational yeller types are more representative of that faction?

I'm genuinely curious ... the loudest ones in any group usually get the most attention from the media, which can lead to the false impression that those people are typical of that group.

 

I would say WWII or the moon shot, but there were vocal fringe minorities that strongly opposed each even then. Some businesses were up to their armpits in the German armament, a very vocal group didn't want us getting involved in a European war, and some politically motivated types wanted anything Kennedy said or proposed to fail.

 

I think that when one side of the political aisle has fallen out of the majority of elected officials, the media is very adept at putting microphones in front of the nuttiest of the wingnut fringe of them.

When it happened to the Dems in the 1990s, I remember seeing their wingnuts being interviewed constantly. I remember thinking..."surely all liberals aren't this crazy." Turns out, I was right. They aren't. The vast majority of political liverals are sane...we want the same things (ie good for the nation)...we just disagree on the best ways to get to that goal.

The same thing is happening now. The difference is that the Internet has evolved to the point that any jackass that is motivated enough can spill out and spread any drivel that they wish to.

When you hear crazy statements often enough, even if they come from a relatively small number of people, it is natural to assume that everybody on that side of the political aisle is nuts.

 

When I hear Rush saying that there is absolutely nothing positive in the health reform bill in either the house or the senate, I see it as blanket conservative resistance. Unless Rush was thrown under the bus, and I just didn't hear about it.

 

That's why conservatives are claiming Obama wants to kill babies and old people?

If what you said was true, they'd be fighting against those fact you mention. They are not.