(Fox 26) Texans reached verbal agreement w/ Williams

Maybe we should stop letting coaches have so much say in personnel decisions. It was Dom Capers who wanted Babin and Buchanon.

 

I guess you're right. We certainly don't want or need any spectacular superstars on THIS team, no sir!

Sigh.

Those teams you mention were not bad because of their flashy superstars. They were bad because of stupid and inept management, and were so persistently bad that they inevitably had some amazingly talented players, by default. To somehow assign blame to their few good players for how bad the teams were is just plain dumb.

After all, I notice you don't include in your list players such as

1) Jerry Rice
2) Michael Jordan
3) Hakeem Olajuwon
4) Joe Montana
5) Joe Namath
6) Kobe Bryant
7) Lebron James
8) Michael Irvin
9) John Elway
10) and on and on and on...

The list of championship superstars is FAR longer than the list of loser superstars such as you mention.

Besides all that, you seem to be saying that somehow Mario makes this team a good team, even a contender-type team, and that it is a foregone conclusion that Bush would not. Neither assumption is demonstrably true in any way. No one knows what the future will hold. I suspect that neither one of them alone would be responsible for a turnaround for this team. This team needs a lot more than just one player, be it MW, Bush, or VY. Only now, when the Texans continue to have little to no success, this decision will haunt this franchise for the rest of the team's history.

Heck, what year did Portland pass on Jordan? '83? And they STILL get killed for that, going on 25 years later?? There is no bigger idiot than the idiot who thinks he's a genius. These mensa members in the Texans' offices are probably sitting there patting themselves on the back right now, thinking about how smart they are.

The Houston Texans are now officially the Punch Line of the NFL for at least the next decade.

 

How much was Reggie asking? Do you know with any certainty? The Texans didn't even offer him as much as they did Mario.

 

I understand you're frustrated... I'm not a Mario Williams supporter, I'm just here to try to keep people from poppin blood vessels, and jumpin off the ledge. Keep trying to think rationally.

Now, I like your list... great players indeed... but out of all the NFL guys, NONE of them are a RB. Out of the total list, NONE of them (except Lebron) had the hype/expectations that are coming with Reggie Bush. All these guys made themselves great AFTER getting drafted... with Reggie, it seems like he could be in the HOF if he retired tommorow (which wouldn't be the case).

Montana wasn't even a first round pick... and ~10-15 teams passed on Rice/Kobe before they got taken.

I understand that star players do win championships... but very rarely are those guys stars BEFORE their team starts winning. The players are good, the winning happens, the stardom arrives when they perform well on the big stage.

 

I will seriously cry if the Titans get BOTH Reggie Bush & Reggie McNeal.

 

First of all, I was a Bush supporter and didn't want VY, and now those two sides need to get along, in my best Jimmy voice (South Park) "Come on".

I am a Texan fan, I was pissed, shocked and had a sick feeling in my stomach after I heard about them picking Williams. But as a fan, I find my self making excuses for not picking Bush. I would have liked to have VY over Mario, but as a fan I support their choice.

 

And the only one you mention is Sanders. Sanders is the poster child for great players suffering though stupid management. Why do you think he retired 5 years too early? He just couldn't take it any more.

People bring up KiJana Carter. Well, injuries cut him down. Who knows what he could have done if he had managed to remain intact.

But still..

1) Gale Sayers
2) Jim Brown
3) Eric Dickerson
4) Emmitt Smith
5) Thurman Thomas
6) Marshall Faulk
7) LaDanian Tomlinson
8) Walter Payton
9) Priest Holmes
10) Shaun Alexander
and on and on..

How many great rb's on good-to-great teams do we really need to mention?

Again, the list of great players on great teams is longer than the list of great players on terrible teams.

You can always bring up the exceptions, but that proves no point other than the fact that incompetant management makes for bad teams.

 

i honestly believe that the Texans had settled on getting Mario Williams prior to yesterday. they realized that they'd look stupid if they tanked to get the #1 and didn't draft bush when they had the chance, so they were open to trade offers.

my guess is that that there are/were trade offers for reggie, but all of them were from Titans, Jets, SF, .... however, it's been clear for some time that NO wanted Mario bad, and was expected to draft him after we got Bush. since we wanted Mario, but none of those potential trading partners would have a chance at picking them [b/c of NO], the Texans decided that the only safe way to end up with Mario was to draft him #1, risking looking foolish for tanking for the first pick.

 

I think so too. I like how they kept all three in the running, peeled Vince off Thursday and then Reggie yesterday.

I was for taking Bush, but I always figured he'd ditch us when his contract expired. I don't get that vibe from Williams. Good pick, go Texans.

 

I was ok drafting Mario, if we traded down for an extra late first rounder.

Then we could have picked up a CB in the late 1st round.

That second pick is huge now. I wouldn't be surprised if they use it on CB.

 

i suppose the texans felt like if they traded down they couldn't get Mario. because NOLA would take him.

 

that's what i was getting at, 4 posts above yours.

 

i'm still holding out hope that this is some major smokescreen (although there's no reason for the texans to say one thing and do another). wishful thinking, i guess.

after months of reading about how reggie bush is the second coming of gayle sayers, walter payton, and barry sanders, now we're going with a guy whos college resume consists of this:

i think the last time i was so dissapointed in houston sports was when beltran signed with the mets

 

I hope we turn out like the Astros too.

 

the closest mock analogy i could think of would be:

if the rockets, with their current roster, including Tmac & Yao and no reputable SG, were drafting First Overall in the LeBron Draft, and, instead of picking LeBron, they pick Dwyane Wade.

leading up to the lottery, the Rockets tank to have a shot at LeBron and the #1 spot. they get the #1 spot, and everyone is excited b/c they have a chance to get one of those rare, GREAT players that comes only every X years.

everyone thinks it's a no-brainer - b/c you don't pass on greatness - and no one expects them to NOT pick LeBron. but we reach a deal to sign Dwyane.

Dwyane totally fills our need at the SG spot, whereas LeBron would be playing the same spot as TMac, a pretty damn good SF. So instead of drafting greatness and figuring it out later, we draft to fill a need. And Dwyane isn't a bad player by any means - it's just that, even if he ends up having a better career than LeBron, few would ever pick him First, over LeBron.


This, to me, is analogous to what just happened with the Texans' Mario-over-Bush.


your thoughts/criticisms/props/comments are welcome.

 

Well I'm holding out until they trade Carr for Vince Young!!!

Who needs NFL type money anyway?

 

That was my point about Bush. Why take him if we could move down to 4 and get VY plus an extra pick?

There are 3 superstar players in this draft: Mario, VY, and Bush. Barring injury, all 3 will wind up hall of famers. I personally think that VY will change the way the game is played. He will change the way that defenses play. I think he will wind up being the best of the best. And we had a chance to move down to #4 and get him and another pick.

We DID NOT have the opportunity to trade outside of NO and still get Mario. That's what we have to understand about this deal. There was no way to get Mario and an extra pick. There was no way to trade down and get Bush.

And the Texans had Bush and Mario graded out above Vince and everybody else. In their eyes, they had to come away from this draft with one of those 2 players. So, essentially there was no deal to be made.

I think Mario will be very good for us. I'm looking forward to watching our defense really gang up on some teams next year. We look very good on the line right now. We LOOK like we will be relentless in pursuit and pressure which is a great thing. Our backers look okay and if we could get one more upgrade at corner, we look very good there. Only thing lacking on the defensive end will be depth. I think we will have a top 12 defense next year and will surprise a lot of people.

Our offense would have been electric with Bush. I still think it will be electric. I think we are going to pick up at least 1 and possibly quality linemen for the right side that will make a difference. If that monster tackle from USC falls into the twenties, I really hope we make a run at him. He is falling for non-football reasons in my opinion.

So, I think we are still on the right track to becoming a very good team and contending for a Super Bowl in the future.

And I still think that VY will come home and punk us enough times to make us wonder just what could have been, probably make some of very angry. Especially since we could have grabbed him, plus at least one other first rounder, then let him ride the bench for a year, then traded Carr for value, while still having a losing record and picking up a higher pick next year, that along with the extra picks we got from the Carr deal and the VY deal could have turned into another stud DE and a stud RB like Adrian Peterson.

I can see VY coming home, and running around the backfield, ala John Elway, in the last seconds of a playoff game, juking Mario, and then throwing the ball downfield about 60 yards to a wide open receiver because we've got somebody from the street playing the nickel in our prevent scheme because we are short one defensive back. I said the same thing about Bush.

But I understand the Texans reasoning and accept it. They did not feel they could risk not only taking the risk on Vince but taking the risk of busting up the core foundation of their team in moving Carr.

We'll see how it works out.

 

That would make up for a lousy draft for sure.

 

Agreed.

 

The first time Mario sacks the living crap outta Peyton, I will forgive all.