BiggieStuff (now there's a user ID!), The papers keep mentioning our trade exception from the ORLANDO deal, but maybe they're just being lazy. Memories are short. Our TE was from the Glen Rice deal. Someone jump in and correct me, but I just assume that sportswriters simply repeat what another writer uses (they do have deadlines), and so the mistake gets repeated.
There's a possibility that we got a 5.48 TE in the Orlando deal. I don't know if anyone's 100% sure about it though. http://bbs2.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81993
How can you say that is perfect??We're getting older not younger like we should. The rockets need to be thinking for long term success not just short term. First we sign Ward at point guard, now Mutumbo, hell even Kevin Willis would be better than Mutombo. Someone doesn't know what they're doing up there. Tracy Mcgrady has been the only bright spot this offseason.
I don't think we've signed Deke yet, but even if we do how does that say we aren't looking long term?!? His contract expires at the end of the year!! Would it be better to sign Keon Clark to a 3 year contract, do you consider that long term? If not, then what DO you consider long term? Pugs
The fact that we can't ignore is: We need someone to give Yao 15 minutes of breathing time every night. Would you rather the Rockets hand out a ridiculous contract like the others that have been handed out this summer? Mutombo is making 4.5 million and is off the books in a year. We can worry about the long-term backup center next offseason when the nba GMs are off crack.
Getting older, experienced players for supporting roles is the right way to go. If we were to get younger players and they performed moderately well, they would leave for larger contracts anyway (see this offseason). Try to develop the guys you draft, and plug in older players to fill the holes.
Hmittal, Show us how Kevin Willis is a better backup than Dikembe Mutombo. First off, He is older. Second off, he doesnt rebound as much. Thirdly, and I believe most importantly, Kevin Willis is NOT considered a defensive specialist ala Dikembe. Dikembe is younger. Dikembe was SECOND in the league in blocks per 48 minutes. Yes, the old and allegedly decrepit Dikembe Mutombo. I don't mind disagreements, but what I do mind are the senseless ones that are spoken of by emotion rather than actual fact. If you had bothered to do just about a minute of research, or paid attention to the ballgames last year, you wouldnt have even come close to making your assertion. He is cheaper than Calvin Booth, Jerome James, Kelvin Cato, Vlade Divac, Mark Blount, Mark Jackson (center type), Shawn Bradley, and I believe Vitaly Potapenko as well. All of the aforementioned with the exception of Vlade and Mark are backup centers. What have they done that Mutombo hasn't. As a matter of fact, Mutombo has better stats than all of those centers with the exception of Mark Blount's points (10+ to Deke's 6+), but Deke has more blocks than all of those, including Kelvin Cato, changed a whole lot more shots, and I should also mention that Kelvin and Mark had more minutes per game. It's a no-brainer to sign Deke.
let me share a recent comment Larry Coon made that is not in his FAQ nor in the CBA text that can clear up a lot of this Mutombo trade logistics: Two teams executing a trade can construct them differently from each other in a manner that best suits them. so, in this example with Pike being traded for Mutombo, Houston would do a two part trade: 1. Deke would come here as the consummation of a previous trade (our TE). 2. Pike would be a trade of 1 player for nothing back. Legal from our standpoint because we're not take any salary back. From Chicago's perspective, they are trading Mutombe for Pike. Since they are trading just one player and taking less salary back, they get a TE equal to the difference. side note: In this scenario, Chicago does not have to wait for 2 months to expire, because the are trading Mutombo without packaging him with another player. However, if we insist on getting a second player from Chicago, then we would have to wait 2 months. That statement doesn't need the "unless" part. If you take back less than you send out, then you are always taking below 100% salary that you sent out. No need to add the "115% rule" disclaimer at the end of your statement. That's for when you take back more than you send out. That said, we do need to add one more thing...TEs can only be created from assigned player exception involving sending out *one* player. If you aggregate multiple player salaries from your team under an assigned player exception, then you can't get a TE. It has to be a 1 for many trade, like the Shaq trade or our Pippen trade. Also, there are other ways to get a TE without the other team being under the cap or having a TE. First, we can trade minimum salary players to other teams. We get a TE for that value, and the other team can accept that player via the minimum salary exception, without using an assigned player exception. Secondly, since a team over the cap can accept up to 115% of the salary that they are giving you, you can receive less than you are sending out. That difference generates a TE for you. example: You have a $10m contract player that you want to trade. Team B has contracts adding up to $8.7m. Since $10m is within 115% of $8.7m, Team B can make the trade. From your end, you are sending out $1.3m more than you are taking back. You can a TE for that value. We got a TE for the Pippen trade in this manner, when Portland was not under the cap.
HeyPee! Nice to see a post. Does this mean you'll be posting regularly this season? Missed your opinions last season, what with all the changes JVG made and tried to make. Feel free to give us your thoughts on last year!
obviously. i just meant unless the trade is completed using the APE. but apparently you are saying even if the APE is used but you only send one player, you can get a TE anyway. i had been under the impression that if the APE was used (obviously by the team sending less) then there was no TE to be had for the team sending more (i.e. in your 10 for 8.7 trade the 10 team got no TE because the APE was needed to complete the trade). but maybe that's part of the you can construct it from your POV thing. to them, it's an APE thing. to you, it's more for less w/ one player and so you're entitled to your TE.
Moe...I'm mainly a lurker now, aside from being a capologist freak. I'm too addicted to this site for any more participation, if you know what I mean. Thanks for saying hey. You can always email to talk bball. I might have a lot of tickets to share with people this year (my ticket buddy might be moving). Want to join me at a game, sometime? I learn something new about this CBA every day. Then forget. Then relearn. Then get it wrong. Then get corrected...reread again and, finally, Voila...have an epiphany of understanding. I'm finally to the point where I think the trading rules part of the CBA is cut and dry. Look at Article VII, Section 6.h.1.ii. That is an APE, and it clearly discusses the non-simultaneous aspect of using it. TEs always arise as part of the use of an APE. when you are over the cap, every player movement action involves an exception. The vast majority of them are APEs. There are 3 types of APEs. Only one of them allows getting some Replacement Players at a future date relative to the day that you first use that exception. The other two APEs don't allow that future option; ie, player movement from both teams has to happen simultaneously. Another confusing thing in capology talk is that there is actually no such thing as a "trade exception." That's just our layman's term. You don't really pop out a special exception called a TPE. All that's happening is one of the APEs allows for completion of it to arise in the future, more like a trade in baseball where you get a player to be named later. In the NBA, the player to be named later can come from any team within a year, but the salaries of that player plus salaries of any players involved in that APE for the past year must be below 100% + $100K of the player who you originally traded. and for clarity, trades can involve multiple APEs. So it can look like you are sending out multiple players, but still get a trade exception. The requirement is that one of the APEs that you are using in a trade has to involve you sending out just one player for less money than receiving back. If you have multiple APEs in one trade that involve you sending out 1 player then you can get multiple APEs from that trade that you can aggregate as one TPE. This could happen in a case where you are trading multiple players to a team with enough cap room to cover them all, for instance. hope that helps. it certainly helps my understanding to write it in an open forum.
The return of HP. I don't know what's more exciting, T-Mac or you coming back to the house you built. Good to see you pal.
didn't mean to make you type all that. rereading my post it looks like i was giving the wrong impression that i was holding onto my belief that there was no TE in an APE trade. i just meant i had always thought that but now learned that apparently that is not the case. the more i learn about the CBA the more i realize how much i still don't know.
Another Brother, Someone started a rumor at rocketsfancouncil.com that you're replacing Cynthia Cooper this year. Is that true? btw: isn't it cool that we now have a stupid, athletic white guy who's turnover-prone, shoots too much, and can't shoot very well. <font size=1>and he took Francis's number!</font> francis 4 prez, I like writing that stuff just for the hell of it. you pretty much see why i'm a capologist geek, now. hehe Moe, You said "Feel free to give us your thoughts on last year!" Well, they really screwed us Upper Deck people by adding that second row of luxury boxes that they can't sell. JVG finally stopped the skipping up the court thing. That was nice to see. Still can't believe I haven't seen fastbreaking yet as a season ticket holder. I think we should get a discount for that. for some reason, the most memorable moment for me wrt game play was the downfall of Adrian Griffin. For some reason, I don't know, I can still see it all happen in slow motion. My buddy and I would joke about how JVG would put AG in for last possessions of a quarter,,,,30 seconds here, 30 seconds there, and he'd always make some cool defensive play. JVG gave him more and more PT over Piatbustski, then he had the fateful Phoenix game letting Marion shoot that 25'er, and then overreacted in OT by not leaving Marion to help stop Johnson from waltzing around the court for that jumper. I looked at JVG both times,,,you could see it in his eyes. "How can you choke like that on a defensive play." Not merely fail, but choke. You're in there for your defensive consistency and smarts. blowing those plays is like a pure shooter airballing a free throw to clinch it. Not just miss, but air ball it. AG played two more games after that and was through. btw: Did Cuttino participate in the All-Star game 3pt shooting contest, or did I imagine that. Speaking of shooting contests. Another memorable moment is when I took my goddaughter and her friend to a game. Her name is Mattie Jackson. Bought her a shirt, but had to talk her out of getting the M. Jackson one, and settle for "Jackson" with JJ's number. Anyhow, I'm sitting about 10 seats from my normal seats, coming down the aisle during a TV timeout and my friends is waving at me pointing at the scoreboard. I'm saying "what?" "where" "what?" Then see it. The freaking headbanger Rockets2K is on the 4000 dpi 50 ft high Toyota Center center court monitor shooting 3s against a videotaped Mobley. He and codell went to the game, but sat in another section. Dude actually got his beer down to the floor to set next to him while he was shooting. so funny! Oh, and Yao is great and fun to watch...he finally had some viscious slams this year, but at the same time, a friend and I have started calling him Meow Ming...doesn't he play like a kitten sometimes....meow! I met JVG at the Rice/UConn game. He took his 5yr old? daughter and sat in the front row. They were in constant quality-time conversation the whole game. JVG did snap his head once to see a call that the ref made on the sideline...guess that's instinct....otherwise he was engrossed in his daughter over the game. He was in standard, coach-potato attire. At half-time I got in line behind him at a vendor. Just talked about his daughter. He's really down to earth. I like him. I liked Rudy, too. btw: our new PG is playing Team Usa on Tuesday. Don't forget to watch. Spanoulis, remember?
I was wondering where the hell you've been. Thought maybe you lost another bet that I missed out on. Nce to see the old GARM still keeping things straight around here.
HeyPartner, Great to see you back here. I've read more in your last few posts than I have in a long while (mostly skimming here and there). I'm back in Texas and if I decide to make it to a game I'll definitely email you before hand to say what's up. But most likely, I think I'll be doing the NBA Leage pass thing. About the fast breaking: I was in DC when the Rudy T to LAL thing broke, and ESPN reporters kept on saying that Rudy T was going to get the Lakers to run, b/c he was known for fastbreaking in Houston. I thought to myself, "wtf? I don't remember any of this. Definitely not the Franchise years, and not the Chuck era either. I know the Rocks and Utah were the best teams in half-court efficiency those years, but fast breaking?" Anyhow, as I got settled down again back in my town of the last 5 years, good ole College Station, I busted out my VHS tapes of the 94 finals, the 95 WC finals, and the 95 finals. And you know what? The Rockets really did run. I love Franchise a lot, but man was that guy incompetent on the fast break or what? I mean, Kenny "the Jet (a nickname I only became aware of when he started commentating on TNT)" Smith was pushing the ball a lot, and if he could take it all the way he would; otherwise he'd pull back and wait to give Dream one of his 50+ touches per game. Seriously, and it's not like Kenny Smith had any fastbreak taking the hoop skills at all. I mean, the dude has terrible handles when pressured...like looses dribble and bounces off foot handles, and get's blocked by everyone skills. He can take it to the hole in the half court, especially if everyone's afraid of leaving Dream open, but that's about it. That's why Sam "not a good mid range shooter- according to that Assclown Knick fan Matt suckass color comentator Goukus, who couldn't coach worth crap either and got replaced by Bill Walton in 95 said" Cassell, as a rookie, played the 4th quarters all the time. Not just b/c of his herky jerky scoring ability, but also b/c he could dribble under pressure. Anyhow, back to the point, the Rockets really did run...a lot. At least a whole lot compared to the last few years, and even more than the Chuckster era. Clyde pushed it even more in 95. So I'm officially on the Rudy T Lakers bandwagon as the dark horse for next year. Again, good to see you back HP. Please post more. Oh yeah, I still have my "Shut HP up card for one day" in the bank from back in the day that I haven't used yet. Maybe it'll have value again.
Kim, you are better waiting to use your "Shut up" card at a live game sitting next to me. I'll even give you a new value to your wasted card and say you now own a "Shut up and get me a beer" card. But you see, that card won't work unless with are at Toyota Center. anyhoot. fun read. thx! Rockets did run previously. You're right. but not when I had tickets. Bait and switch. Isn't there laws against that! I want a discount!
