u r joking right TWIN TOWERS!!!1 YAO AND TUMBO!!! the new and improved YAO - CATO type thing of the league Rocket River
Just pipe dreaming somewhat--but I decided to do a little gm'ing and I put through a trade that could only happen after Sept. 1st due to players being traded but the trade was accepted. Rockets give up to the Bulls Lue, Gaines, Pike, Griffin and MO Taylor Rockets recieve Motumbo and Antonio Davis. Ward/ Sura/ wilks Tmac/ sura/ boki jj/boki/ sura Howard/ AD/weatherspoon YAO/Tumbo If we could then add another 2/3 that would be nice. Just think workhorses like AD is a better fit than Mo T...and his contract expires after this year as opposed to 2 like MoT.
That is what NIKE and GATER have been saying in the other thread and they are FAR better capologists than I have ever claimed to be.
while yao can be foul prone, there's not that much to worry about (especially considering mutombo averaged almost 24 mpg last year). there were only 9 games where yao played 24 minutes or less last year. one in which he had 5 fouls (a phoenix game) and then the last game of the year and 7 games which were enormous blowouts either for us or the other team (a few 25+ point blowouts in there). so at worst mutombo steps in once or twice a year for heavy minutes because of fouls. in the blowout situations, we'll just throw spoon or mo tay or howard or someone in to finish out the game at center without tiring mutombo. a TE occurs anytime a team sends out more salary than it takes in unless it falls within the 115% + 100K rule. if neither team has a TE at the time, then the only way i can think of for it to happen is trading with a team under the cap. however, if a team over the cap has a TE (i.e. us), then they can take in more than they get even if they are over the cap. in this case, we can take in more than we give out (deke for nothing) with our TE, which gives chicago, a team over the cap, a TE equal to deke's salary. chicago then uses that TE to trade for pike. what will jvg do? the one thing he knows is what mutombo is already an expert in, defense. i would say that has to be the case. chicago can't really by that interested in pike but we're definitely not interested in adding about 9 or 10 million to the payroll and going past the LT threshhold (if the LT even kicks in). considering we can shed a little salary by trading guys who weren't gonna play most likely, it's not a bad move. and i wouldn't hold out any hope of using the TE at this point. the TE could have been used when we hadn't signed anyone, but we're definitely not going to adding sura, ward, and the difference b/t deke and pike/ag/wilks salary to get right up to the projected 54/55M LT limit (if it even kicks in) and then add another 6.9M and i don't blame les for not wanting to do that since we've already added a good amount of depth and semi-quality to the positions of need.
Please stop saying that the league has a problem consisting of T-Mac and Mr. Ming because we all know we will be railroaded if we don't fill the holes in the Rocket Ship.
We're getting a bunch of good but old guys. This reminds me of some other team we have here in houston. um....... they play baseball and before the season started hopes were really high.
If we offered the full MLE to Oster-fat---Oster-fat, mind you---then presumably Les is willing to go over the luxury tax threshold if necessary. Not TOO much; that's why we went after guards on the cheap. But Oster-fat got 4-something million from the Kings and said we offered more money but less playing time. Ticket and merchandise sales jumped when T-Mac was brought on board, so the Rox will be OK.
Making the trade in 2 separate steps should not allow you to get around the rule. I myself do not believe or have seen such rule stated definitively anywhere!
um...what rule would that be? The no combining players' salaries with the TE rule? If that's the case, then We can do Pike + TE for Mutombo, because we're not aggregating any salaries here. The TE itself is more than enough to cover all of Mutombo's salary. Pike is just a "throw-in" so to speak. In other words: $2mil salary + $5mil TE for a $5mil salary is ok $2mil salary + $5mil TE for a $7mil salary is NOT ok I'm pretty sure that's the gist of it. Do aelliot, NIKEstrad or GATER want to confirm?
Does Mutombo STILL do the finger wagging crap? I hope he stops that before he ever becomes a Rocket...it was ok when he was a real force, but now it would just be ridiculous...
Yes. How is this OK? Maybe $5mil TE for a $5mil salary is ok but how do u explain the $2mil salary? You guys are caught up in semantics, "aggregating" or not ... it's the end result that counts. Noone from the league office would set up rules and then let you circumvent them that easy.
I think he would be a great pickup if we are only giving away crap. I guess most of you guys think that we are going to pick up Shaq to back up Yao. I would rather have Keon, but don't think it's realistic.
Mutombo would be a steal for Pike and Griffin. We have 13 players signed right now. A trade might be possible.
what happens when the first team trades a 5 million dollar player to us for nothing? they get a 5 million dollar TE. they then use that TE to acquire the 2 million dollar player. 2 trades (or maybe non-simultaneous is the better phrasing), but they are reported as one trade in which you essentially trade two guys and use the TE to make up the difference. the only real thing that i can think that changes is instead of having the $5M TE reduced to $2M and expiring like normal, you should get a new $2M TE that expires a year after the deal. but perhaps the CBA says something that doesn't allow that to happen.
It's not just semantics. I'm sorry, I should've been a bit more clear. francis4prez explained it pretty well. It's basically: 1. $5mil TE for $5mil salary 2. $2mil salary for $2mil TE It's two separate trades, not an aggregation. You could look at it as a loophole or whatever, but it's perfectly legal within the terms of the CBA. Naturally, you can't perform this type of "aggregation" with a salary that's greater than the TE. Yeah, that's something I'm not very clear about either. Does the $2 million TE you get back expire when the original did? or do you get another year to use it?
Now ESPN is mentioning the Rockets interest in Dikembe. Looks like it's just a matter of when... C Dikembe Mutombo might be on the move yet again, the Arlington (Ill.)Daily Herald reports Aug. 10. The Rockets are desperate for backup help for starting C Yao Ming but have little salary cap room. The Bulls would like to get sharpshooter F Eric Piatkowski, who reportedly has two years and $5.75 million remaining on his contract. Mutombo, whom the Bulls acquired from the Knicks in the Aug. 6 Jamal Crawford deal, is valued for both his height and his expiring contract (one year, $4.5 million). The Rockets might use a trade exception they acquired in the Tracy McGrady deal to cover the salary difference. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=hou
That tells you a lot about what they think of Gaines. There was a reason why Orlando gave up on him and exposed him to the expansion draft. While I still don't envision him as a PG - he's more of 2-3 type player, Sura is far better and his minutes will keep Gaines on the bench until they can dispose of him in a trade or whatever.
