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Former Rocket Scottie Pippen 3rd Best Small Forward of All Time?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by crash5179, Jul 16, 2005.

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Scottie Pippen 3rd Best Small Forward of All Time

  1. Pippen is the 3rd best of all time

    29 vote(s)
    8.6%

  2. Pippen should be ranked higher

    26 vote(s)
    7.7%

  3. Pippen deserves to be on that list but not as high

    114 vote(s)
    33.8%

  4. Pippen is overratted, quit on his teams and does not deserve to even be on the list!

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    49.9%
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  1. Icehouse

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    And the "anoited best player ever" never won jack without him. Actually, he led the Bulls further alone than the anoited one ever did (and this was immediately after losing the anoited one and gaining Myers and rookie Kukoc instead). Are you honestly gonna credit all Pippens success to MJ telling him what to do? :rolleyes: Get real now. If it were that easy, then why didn't Jordan win every season, and with other teammates? I understand MJ is great, but sometimes folks give him WAY too much credit.

    Dr J played on star studded teams before Moses came. He never could get over the top until he become option #2. Now exactly how does that make him better than Scottie, by far?

    Of the rest of the top 10, how many had a game as complete as Scottie? How is Scottie Capt Coattails when he was the Bulls defensive stopper (not only on SF's), 2nd best scorer and he ran the offense? How can he ride someones cottails that NEVER HAD ANY PLAYOFF SUCCESS WITHOUT HIM? Please explain....
     
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    ha hes not even the best scottie whos played for the rockets. that honor goes to the legend scottie brooks. whenever i see an incoming rocket i think "could he be the next scottie?"
     
    #82 HAYJON02, Jul 17, 2005
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    HAHAHAHAHAHA! :D

    Damn you crack me up.
     
    #83 Drexlerfan22, Jul 17, 2005
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    The guy that wrote this article is a clown. I don't have anything to add to the debate on Pippen, but how is it that guys like Worthy, Aguire, Dantley, Maravich, etc. don't even show up on the list?
     
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    I saw both play and both did much more than just score. Defenses certainly were not as complex when they played as they were in Pippens hay day and not as much were asked of them defensively as would have been had they played in the 90's. Having said that both of those guys carried their teams for almost their entire careers and both had tons of success as their teams main man.

    Pip had one chance to carry his team...just one and regardless of what he might have done in the regular season what he did in the post season can not be forgiven. That was his chance...period and he blew it. No leader would ever abandon his team the way Pippen did and so there is no way Pippen is a leader.

    Both Dr. J and Rick Barry were leaders of their teams and both carried their teams to the finals as the leaders of their teams. Pippen did not even come close to getting his team to the finals. That Bulls team that he walked out on was never a serious threat to get back to the big dance with out MJ.
     
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    How cynical you are! How many championship has Jordan had with Pippen?
     
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    I mean without Pippen?
     
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    At least Dr. J was able to get the 76ers to the championship series with out Moses Malone. Pippen quit on his team. I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree but Pippen is not even close Dr. J or Rick Berry in my book.
     
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    Cynical?
    How many players could you have replaced Jordan with that would have enabled Pippen to still get his rings? I say zero.

    How many small forwards could you have replaced Pippen with that would have allowed Jordan to still get his rings? A verry large number.
     
    #89 crash5179, Jul 17, 2005
  10. dyu66

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    To my knowledge, Jordan did not win a single championship without Pippen, including a few years with Bulls before Pippen joined and a couple of years with Wizards after he came out of retirement.
     
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    How many games did Pippen win for the Bulls in that year when Jordan was playing baseball? 55 wins?! Compare that to 51 wins of our beloved Rockets with two superstars this year! The Bulls almost beat the Knicks in the Conference Final riding on Pippen’s string performance. In the final minutes of game seven, Pippen had a CLEAN block (shown by re-play) on Ewing’s jump shot. Unfortunately, the dumb referee ruled it as a foul, gave Ewing two free throw and sent the Knicks to the Final to face the Rockets. I have watched almost every game that Jordan and Pippen played and I think that I can make some fair judgments.
     
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    You put Jordan in the same system with the same Coach and the same supporting cast at the same point in his career and you could replace Pippen with any number of small forwards in the league at the time and the Bulls still get their titles.

    There is simply no way you could ever convince me otherwise.
     
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    You should let the fact speak the truth, not the emotion.
     
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    The fact did speak. Quitten earned his nickname the old fashion way.
     
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    Bulls lost in the Simi finals that year not the finals. While Kucoc hit the game winning shot to extend that series with the Knicks there is no doubt that Pippens actions hurt his teams mindset and surely had an effect on the team loosing that series and the next game.
     
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    How could you say put anybody else in Pippen's spot when it's been clearly stated that Pippen is unique and no one from his time could do what he did.
    If anything Put any tremendous scorer along Pippen's side and he'd still win a decent amount of rings as I stated earlier.

    Your mind won't change crash and neither will mine, haha.
    I've been having Pippen arguments since I can remember.
     
    #96 PiPdAdY33, Jul 17, 2005
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    How many all-defensive teams did Barry or Dr J make?

    Yes, Barry led his team to a title. Pippens all-around game is still better (which is why the writer has him ranked so high). As far as Dr J carrying his team to the Finals...hell, look at the teams he played on. His teammates were World B Free, Doug Collins, George Mcginnis, Darryl Dawkins, Bobby Jones, Mo Cheeks, Andrew Toney, etc. The Sixers were known for choking until Moses arrived. Hell, Dr J couldn't even get his team past the Lakers without Kareem in 1980. I don't see Magic running circles around Pippen for 40+. Pippen had Ho Grant and a rookie Toni Kukoc. Give me a break....

    Please, name one that you consider top 10? To replace Scottie and win, the other SF has to be able to run a very complicated offense, be a great defender, a good scorer and a good rebounder. Pippens game (especially him checking the other teams #1 swingman every night) is what allowed Jordan to be Jordan while the Bulls were winning. What other SF had all of those skill sets in one package? The others on this list are great scorers. The Bulls did not need that, because they had Jordan. They needed someone that could do what Scottie did.

    So please, name one SF that you could replace him with and win 6 titles? And please explain how their games would mesh with the Bulls system to allow them to have the same success. It's real easy to throw a blanket statement out there....
     
    #97 Icehouse, Jul 17, 2005
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    Maravich was definitely a guard, and given his next article, he considers Worthy a power forward (he was really both, but whatever).

    Dantley didn't play a lick of defense, and Aguirre just isn't good enough overall to be included, IMO.
     
    #98 Drexlerfan22, Jul 17, 2005
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    My list with those players and only a few changes:

    1. Larry Bird
    2. John Havlicek
    3. Julius Erving
    4. Elgin Baylor
    5. Dominique Wilkins
    6. Rick Barry
    7. Scottie Pippen
    8. Billy Cunningham
    9. Joe Fulks ( I dont know this guy)
     
    #99 david_rocket, Jul 17, 2005
  20. Drexlerfan22

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    He is generally credited with inventing the jump shot, hence "Jumpin'" Joe Fulks.

    You would seriously take the defenseless, reboundless, assistless wonder Dominique Wilkins over anyone but Fulks? I can see how some might put him over Cunningham, but Pippen and Barry? Definitely disagree with you there.
     
    #100 Drexlerfan22, Jul 17, 2005
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