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FORMER CLINTON ADVISOR "No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Htownhero, Aug 31, 2005.

  1. rhadamanthus

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    I am outraged that they are not moving quicker. We have the most advanced and well-funded military in the world and they cannot help out their own fscking citizens. Seriously, what the hell is going on here?

    EDIT: Aren't those snipers "terrorists" of a sort? Maybe if the press starts calling them that we might get a little more support form this useless adminstration.

    EDIT2:
    Rapid is next week? I thought we had, you know, planes that move fast.

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/01/katrina.impact/index.html
     
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  2. F.D. Khan

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    The Red Cross, FEMA and state workers were attempting to rescue people and give aid, but then they were attacked and shot at. So FEMA and the red cross pulled out of the areas.

    Because of the gangs/looters etc. the Army is now coming in. You people should be mad at the ones creating violence, not the administration for having to send the Army into what should be a food/supplies/healthcare and transportation situation.
     
  3. vwiggin

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    Why can't we be angry at both?
     
  4. astroagg

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    But the Army, National Guard, etc. should have already been there in the first place to keep it from happening.
     
  5. MR. MEOWGI

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  6. u851662

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    B.S. they are shooting and panicking because they dont have anything. They have no food, no water, no power.. etc.. No matter where you are in the world even the good ol' USA if you dont help people with the basics lawlessness will break out. Where the F is the military. I dont care who's fault it is, bottom line it is taking too long. :mad: If all your things were gone within 1 day you would be doing the same thing. They are just trying to survive. I would die to make sure my family would get a seat on a bus that can drive them to safety. Take the Fing blinders off people. F the tour Bush order someone to do something.....
     
  7. u851662

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  8. pippendagimp

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    Thanks for sharing your firsthand insight into the situation.
     
  9. Saint Louis

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    The only blame I have is the poor response and direction being applied to this awful situation. I feel like Bush and FEMA are standing by while Rome, I mean New Orleans burns, I mean floods and burns. :mad:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050901/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina_39

    "I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "I buried my dog." He added: "You can do everything for other countries but you can't do nothing for your own people. You can go overseas with the military but you can't get them down here."
     
  10. MadMax

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    i agree. i don't understand it.
     
  11. deepblue

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    If you "have no food, no water, no power.. etc..", you probably wouldn't want to be shooting at The Red Cross? :confused:

    To mobilize an army requires planning and logistics, I am sure they are doing it as fast as they can.
     
  12. u851662

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    Man, if they only have a certain amount of food and you dont know when your next meal would be, what would you do? If the food they are bringing was not meant for you but the people at the Superdome, how would you feel? If you had a gun and had to feed 3 baby's that hadnt eaten in 2 days, what would you do?
     
  13. u851662

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    If our government can plan for pre-emptive strikes/wars, They need to start to learn how to be PRE-EMPTIVE in providing for their citizens in the time of a natural disaster...
     
  14. deepblue

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    I certainly wouldn't be shooting at the people who are trying to help you.
     
  15. vwiggin

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    Actually, I think our situation in Iraq proves we don't know how to conduct pre-emptive strikes wars.
     
  16. deepblue

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    Agreed we need to do a better job, but this is a little different than the war. You know when the war is going start, so you had month/years to get ready. To achieve the same kind of readiness for something you don't know when is going to happen is almost impossible (plus the cost won't be sustainable).
     
  17. geeimsobored

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    Lets be somewhat realistic.

    NO ONE couldve seen this coming. Yes we all thought that there was a chance that New Orleans could be flooded on a scale that we've never seen. Yes we thought a hurricane could hit them anytime now.

    But come on... who couldve thought that New Orleans would turn into anarchy. Who couldve thought that the Superdome really wouldnt be enough to protect people from the hurricane. I mean its actually a designated disaster shelter for a reason. This hurricane did something that no one expected. It literally moved in and sat on New Orleans for a little while, adding extra damage that no one couldve forseen. In addition, I assure you that none of you thought that New Orleans would turn into a chaotic mess in which everyone takes the law into their own hands.

    Its a complete mess, but I'll give the government the benefit of the doubt this time. There was so little time to prepare and this type of mass evacuation hasnt happened in years so lets just focus on fixing it up now and then we can talk about solutions for the future.
     
  18. MadMax

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    no, it didn't. the hurricane moved quickly over land. very quickly. the problem wasn't the hurricane, but the failure of the levees. that killed everything. that was foreseen. i'll give the govt the benefit of the doubt, as well. but none of this is a surprise. i found articles going back to 2001 talking about this happening. the chronicle ran a piece on this a few years back as well.
     
  19. vwiggin

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    I have to assume that the NO levees is especially vulnerable to terrorist attacks as well as hurricanes. *please correct me if I'm wrong, for this is just speculation*

    Shouldn't Homeland Security and the local government have detailed plans for evacuating a major city like NO?

    What happens if they drop a dirty bomb in Houston, Los Angeles, Miami? Are we going to be equally unprepared for that as well?

    Our leaders have been telling us that we are spending tons of money on homeland security. I would assume some of that money is going towards better response time for search and rescue efforts.

    If this is the best our government can do, we should be really, really scared. :(
     
  20. Space Ghost

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    Many of you have answers for the problems but are not doing anything about it. Just because you're glued to CNN doesn't mean you have the answers to this problem or a right to sit and point fingers.

    People want to compare this to a 3rd world country? Hello?! 3rd world countries have been that way for centries and they do not act like savages like many of these people ... and its only been 3 days.

    You people want to march an army into NO's with no means of manuverability and communication. Oh sure. That will really work.

    Sure, there might have been people who couldn't get out, but there are far more of these people who choose not to seek further shelter, and continue not to seek out further shelter, out of ignorance ... its these same fools who are shooting at everyone that comes by.

    Right now their concern is getting people out of the city that WANTS to be saved, not trying to save a few goods at a local convient store.

    Let me stress again, 80% of the city is under water. How do you expect authorities to get around and maintain control???
     

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