"Lean game meat" ... like us bacon fans like that crap. so you are arguing against a vegan diet...vs a perfect "balanced" diet that has no industrial influences. Your diet is perfect--no doubt...OK...yet it sounds very expensive, money-wise. Are you really able to pull that off? Please tell us all what you eat and how much you pay for it. So why argue against vegan diet that is much cheaper and achieves the same if not better results. why? sounds like you are way too argumentative about vegans. And this is coming from a meat lover, and I love bacon. And I hate "lean game meat." That's like the worst **** there is...and people pretend to like it.
I get lean game meat for hunting, it costs me little. Nitrate free bacon is probably fine in moderation, I eat it. Did I ever say I support the meat industry? Who said that we are meant to eat "that much meat". I said we are meant to eat meat, and you will find very few if any pure vegetarian societies that have survived. I don't think I ever said that we should only eat meat, only that it gets a bad rap, when modified foods are the biggest problem. Already covered this earlier. We are mean't to eat meat. Farming genetically modified super crops is not exactly good for the environment. If you really want to cut carbon emissions don't have children. An idiot? No... but reading your own conclusions into my posts perhaps. Eating a diet that consists of whole foods, including meat is better for you than any other diet. That is my opinion, and it is based on years of study, in athletics and then in the legal community. Still, feel free to differ.
The only one that seems argumentative is you, and a tad bit angry as well. No one achieves perfection in a diet. I get most of my meat from hunting (turkey, quail, deer, etc) or from small farms (chicken, eggs); it costs me little, but I also have a lot of land. I do not think that a vegan diet achieves the same results as someone that consumes meat in moderation and sticks to mostly non processed whole foods. I am not talking about an ideal diet, I am talking about exercising common sense. Avoiding excessive processed foods, corn syrup, etc. If someone wants to be a vegan, then more power to them. I do not believe it is natural, but we all do things that are not the best for us.
2005 It was my PB by over 50 seconds. The biggest problem was staying healthy enough to train the amount necessary to compete 5-6 times a year.
Nook, Dude,,,chill out. You want to be so right, that you aren't reading my post correctly. For instance, you said, "Did I ever say I support the meat industry? " like I accused you of it. I NEVER accused you of that. I said the exact OPPOSITE....that you are making a case AGAINST the meat industry. You are making a case to avoid industrial processed meats and vegetables. You know what that means to college students...eat more vegetables, because "lean game meat" is way too expensive and sucks taste-wise anyways. dude...slow down... "Lean game meat" sucks,,,is way overrated,,,and just way too expensive...and it sucks. Give me bacon and brisket, ribs and pork shoulder any day over that crap.
As others have mentioned, the problem is sugar and processed foods. Is it any wonder that health problems have skyrocketed at the same time that we have consumed more processed foods? People have been eating meat for centuries now, I don't think it's the culprit (though I dont think processed meats are good). I eat all the unprocessed meat and veggies I want. (It's hard to eat too much, it's very filling). I also eat fermented dairy products I feel MUCH better than when I was on a low-fat, high carb diet. And the feeling of "always being hungry" is gone. You know who loves this movie? The processed food industry. They keep pumping out non-fat stuff that is nonetheless horrible for you. How much fat does high fructose corn syrup have?
turkey, chicken, hen, duck, lean beef, steak, veal, goat, lamb, seafood (shrimp, salmon, tilapia, mahi mahi, sushi, etc) i heart meat (twss). preferably lean protein
I did, but do you think the average person got the impression that they should cut down on bread instead of meat? The guy at the end says eat more "plant based foods. It's that simple." Most people hear that and think "cut out meat." And industrial seed oils are some of the worst things you can eat (how much did that industry contribute to the making of this film?) I don't think wheat is particularly good for you either, and that is plant- based.
They movie is all about how the industry sucks. They tell you to not eat meat, processed foods or oil. They want you to be granola.
From their website: "FORKS OVER KNIVES examines the profound claim that most, if not all, of the degenerative diseases that afflict us can be controlled, or even reversed, by rejecting animal-based and processed foods. " I completely disagree with their position on rejecting animal-based foods. And as far as processed foods, do they consider corn and soybean oil processed or a healthy plant-based food? EDIT: I just think they got it half right. I completely agree with avoiding processed foods. But there are a lot of meats that aren't processed and are good for you, while bread is processed and is questionable.
So you're saying it's propaganda filled with half truths designed to deceive you? Got it. Thanks for saving me the time. I agree with the natural foods crowd - but do yourselves a favor and don't be afraid of fatty meat. Fat - particularly animal fat - isn't bad for you. Ancel Keys (the father of the lipid heart disease theory) faked his research by cherry picking 7 countries out of the 22 that he studied to make his study look good. And the result of the ensuing low-fat high-carb/high sugar/processed food diet foisted on the American public has been tremendous weight gain, diabetes, and skyrocketing heart disease rates. Eat real food. Like a poster said above - if you eat veggies, meat, and add a few nuts for snacks, you'll have a hard time maintaining an unhealthy weight. You won't be hungry either.
Let's get back on topic - certain people in this thread are superior to those of you who eat meat regularly.
