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Forcing children to wear a mask is child abuse. The Left failed children.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 31, 2022.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Do you understand masks are to protect people from catching it from you? I thought educated people understood this
     
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  3. AroundTheWorld

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    The FFP2/3 masks are also/primarily to protect yourself. So if you are ******** your pants, use these. And a hazmat suit and a gas mask, if you so please. And leave everyone else alone.
     
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    Iceland will never force their children to wear the face muzzle. You libs in here always going around saying “ it’s about the children”....it’s about the children alright. It’s downright child abuse!
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Amen and I know several.

    Shame on OP and others (especially those profiting via anger-tainment media) making CDC policy a "left" or "right" issue.
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    I actually agree on not masking kids under a certain age in school and daycare (it's an interesting topic that doesn't need political hysteria), but omicron has definitely hospitalized a bunch of kids. Happily a small % but non-negligible.
     
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    I guess this is what it comes down to -- an ideological difference between the primacy of personal freedom or the general welfare, which is a basic right vs. left tension. I come down on the latter side. I like freedom and all, but there are some things that can only be achieved with collective action, so personal freedoms must be curtailed to achieve them. Ideologues will say that that's the slippery slope to tyranny, that the invisible hand of personal choice will optimize for the best outcomes, but really life is messier than that. I'm not going to trust the free market to solve this. Some things - wars and pandemics chief among them I suppose - require sacrifice, and require making people sacrifice if they're too dumb or selfish to do it electively. So I don't really regret the pressure for conformity, even if the policies turn out to be sub-optimal. The more important thing is to be in it together and to execute on some plan in a collective and coordinated fashion.

    But that's all the past, at least for the moment. Now we're looking at a landscape where vaccination is widespread, we're pulling out of a winter spike of infections, and the dominant variant produces a somewhat more mild illness. Whether masking policies of the past were good or bad, looking forward they probably do need to be relaxed. And maybe it's just because I'm in Texas, but it looks to me like they are being relaxed. My kids schools are going mask optional. My workplace is mask optional. Stores are mask optional. The only place I really need a mask is the bus.
     
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    My wife is a teacher, masks are required at her school, if they were not there would not be enough teachers healthy to teach and kids would have to stay home and LORD HAVE MERCY their parents would have to actually deal with them during the day.

    DD
     
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    Did someone not tell Around the World that Israel is into vaccinations and masks?
     
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    Because **** the teachers and everyone else's family.
     
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    I can’t imagine what’s going to happen if we have a much more severe pandemic.

    I very much believe there are events that override individual freedom.

    I don’t think Covid was that serious of a virus but it really exposed how we really don’t have a plan as a nation.
     
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    Nobody's perfect.

    Also, I am not against vaccinations, very much the opposite. I am just against forcing them into people.

    Same with masks - great if people use them. Just don't force people to use them, especially not children, and especially not children under 6 years of age.

    There is a huge difference between endorsing something and endorsing it being forced upon everyone. That's what leftists like you will never understand.

    I still like you though, glynch.
     
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    This is a balanced post. Thank you. Schools going mask optional is literally all I am asking for. That, and at least raising the age for mandatory face masks on planes to 6.
     
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    Muh freedoms...

    Except when it comes to policing Muslim populations in Western countries.
     
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    Dude - you know as well as anyone that Islam is the opposite of freedom. I don't want to police Muslim populations. I have a problem with Islam because it is about anti-freedom as anything. I am a libertarian. I don't have a problem with Muslims, and I would fight anyone who wants to discriminate against them. You are smart enough to understand the distinction.
     
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    Bro a decade's worth of posting means you have a laundry list of receipts expressing an authoritarian approach to handling Muslim populations in Western nations.

    You just don't see the cognitive dissonance. On one hand you value personal freedoms over policy making based on fear that can erode individual liberties and on the other hand you value safety through over policing and spying over individual liberties.
     
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    The usefulness of masks for children should be discussed. This guy letting us know he is/was a progressive Bernie supporter and ending with the dramatic “The Left failed kids” isn’t doing anything for me. Makes him seem like one of those weirdo C-Span callers that always seem to have a theatrical ideological conversion when they want to regurgitate otherwise well-worn partisan talking points.





    There are people on “The Left” who want mask mandates in schools to end. Mask-wearing isn’t some long-held liberal or leftist belief. It is one of several mitigation efforts we’ve had during the pandemic.

    In my opinion, the problem with making kids wear masks is there aren’t good, comfortable masks their size that stay on their faces. At least not easy to find. Kids are not disciplined enough to keep them on their nose and mouth. As a lifelong Bill Bradley Democrat, I think schools need better air ventilation and kids need to take vaccines when they’re approved.
     
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    very happy to see the Bill Bradley Democrat allusion
     
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    Yes, like that doctor I quoted.

    I'll give you that at least in Germany, the "moderate right" is at least as guilty as the left in terms of wanting to enact strict measures and masking kids. At least in Germany, and I think also in the US, interestingly, it's mostly "the far right" that asks for more individual freedom. This is weird, because it used to be the left who used to do that.

    I am against mandating vaccines for children. Once the authorities say it is safe, parents can opt to have their children vaccinated. But I would not recommend it. The danger to them from an infection isn't really significantly greater than that of getting infected. And there is some evidence that natural immunity might be longer-lasting/better.
     
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    Yeah, OP is a ****ing moron.
     
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