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For the Tmac haters(AKA the bandwagon fans)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jVgOwnsYou, Mar 19, 2008.

  1. ShadyMcGrady

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    That's a sad list. If you are talking about right now, the way he's playing this very moment, then it's fine. Otherwise it's ridiculous.

    Ray Allen doesn't do anything but shoot. Same with Michael Redd. PP is good but he's not at the level of T-Mac's game when T-Mac is trying. Gilbert can't do half the things T-Mac does to make plays. Dwyane Wade is nowhere near as good as T-Mac even this season. He's injured and tanking. A team that loses 24 out of 25 should have any of their players considered as great. If Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony are so good, why aren't they in the playoffs?

    Let me reiterate, if you are talking about this very moment (last three games included) then you are right with that list. But overall this season and based on what they can still do, that list is way off.
     
  2. abc2007

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    Tmac is one of 4 players who have 20+, 5+, 5+ this season.

    The other 3 are: Kobe, Lebron, and Carter.

    I cannot see why you put Wade there. Miami is the worst team in nba now. I cannot see why Iverson, Redd, Anthony are there either. Their teams even cannot make playoffs. Garnett, Allen, and Pierce are great to make a team. But individually, I cannot see why Allen or Pierce is better than Tmac.

     
  3. jVgOwnsYou

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    I agree with your top four, but the others are jokes.
     
  4. SuperStar

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    Hmm these ones are pretty debatable

    Ray Allen hasnt done anything in Seattle during his whole career there. If he did I dont remember much.


    Iverson and Melo with the supporting cast that they have continues to underachieve.


    Bucks are a pretty sad team thats why no one ever hears of Michael Redd till Yi went there.

    D-whistle hasnt done anything since Shaq left left or before shaq came.




    I would add Duncan and Ginobili on the list.
     
  5. JD2010

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    the others might be questionable, but no jokes.
    Especially Iverson.

    Everyone talked about how twack was tired because he played 48 minutes in a week.

    Lets go back in time.
    December 20, 2007
    Allen Iverson plays 57 minutes vs the Rockets and has 36 points.
    The next night on a back to back in Portland he plays 45 minutes and scored 34 points.
    He is 6 feet tall, 32 years old, and DID NOT NEED AN I.V DRIP

    102 minutes in 24 hours.

    In those games were tmac played 48 minutes twice.
    He had the 9th, 11th, and 13th of March to rest.
    Plus he's 6'8, 28, and needed an I.V drip.
     
  6. jVgOwnsYou

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    Duncan and Chris Paul should be on the list. Can't think of many others.
     
  7. ShadyMcGrady

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    Duncan for sure. Duncan should be over KG. KG is overrated. People think T-Mac disappears in the playoffs (not going to argue, just saying), well KG does too. That's when he makes the playoffs.
     
  8. JD2010

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    I thought it was about individual talent , not teams.
     
  9. JD2010

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    yeah how could i forgot Duncan, ehh jetlag. Okay take Gilbert off and put Duncan
     
  10. abc2007

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    The fact is that Iverson + Anthony + best C (Barkley said) even cannot make playoffs. Tmac makes his teammates better, but Iverson doesn't.

     
  11. jVgOwnsYou

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    Iverson is 6 ft tall and weighs 160 pounds. Meaning he is a liability on defense and he doesn't rebound...Also the guy averages about 4 turnovers a game and he dribbles way too much.
     
  12. JD2010

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    last time KG was in the playoffs, the wolves went to the WC finals
     
  13. jVgOwnsYou

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    eah, I dunno if I'd call KG overrated. If anything the guy is underrated at this point in his career.

    He does everything that leads to wins. He rebounds very well, defends very well, shoots a high percentage, and is a great passer.
     
  14. abc2007

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    People believe that is because of Sam Cassell, not KG.

     
  15. JD2010

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    well yeah, like we've both said he's 6 ft tall which probably explains why he doesn't rebound much. 3.1 turnovers a game is alot but according to NBA.COM, Yao is in the top 10 for turnovers, Iverson isn't. Of course we all know the refs hates Yao lol
     
  16. ShadyMcGrady

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    About your Iverson minutes thing, I thought this was about talent, not resistance? ;)

    No one is questioning whether Iverson is tougher than T-Mac. Just like no one is questioning whether Kobe Bryant or LeBron James should be on that list.

    But are you really going to put the rest of those guys on there? Just wait until the playoffs man.

    You may not think he's talented anymore, but I'm pretty sure he still has it. If he proves me wrong and sucks it up in the playoffs then he poves me wrong and there's nothing I can say or do but if he plays hard and plays well, I would hope it changes your mind.

    And I don't even expect to win a series depending on who we are matched up with, because we have little talent outside of McGrady. If he plays well and we lose, we can afford to keep him and wait for Yao to come back next season. If he sucks it up and doesn't even TRY, then we have to look at shipping him.

    But wait for the playoffs to make that judgement.
     
  17. ShadyMcGrady

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    Exactly. I think Sam I Am and Chokehold had more to do with that than KG. A team goes to the WCF and then fail to miss the playoffs so many times. KG was working that talent there...right? :confused:
     
  18. JD2010

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    hmm, well KG averaged 24.3 ppg during the 03-04 playoffs.
    He shot 78 percent free throws, and heck.. he even shot threes at about the same percentage that Tracy does.
    31.3 and he's a PF/C
     
  19. JD2010

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    that team only failed to make the playoffs once after that year, so you can't say "so many times" thats after what happened.
    Sam got traded to the clippers, Latrell needed to feed his family... etc
     
  20. jVgOwnsYou

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    Haha yeh, Some of Yao's turnovers are stupid, but alot are because of missed calls. If you breath on Iverson it's a foul.
     

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