[for the fwiw bin] Did Refs miss an 8-second violation to end the game?

yeah the angle of that video is just tough to see. and definitely not a goaltend on KL's part

 

I think that the situation mattered far less than who the home team was. Nearly all the calls/no-calls favored San Antonio down the stretch.

 

Rockets rarely benefit from the hand is a part of the ball so it is not a foul calls

Rocket River

 

How about the phantom foul on leonard shooting a 3 by Ariza? I must be blind because I didn't see any contact.

Also the refs let everything go for 46 mins in the game and then 2 mins left they started calling everything. Maybe a little consistency would have been nice.

 

Clearly a foul as Clutch showed.

 

Lol. The ridiculousness of the the LTM reports make the replay process even worse.
They should just get rid of it again.
More than anything the amount it slows the games down by is often insufferable.

 

Wow...and yeah, smh...

 

Yea, thats how it even looked on the video I saw. But like the no call in the MEM game it doesn't matter. You sorta hope that the basketball gods and nba refs will make it up in a future game, but still waiting for the make up on the out of bounds years and years ago...

 

yeah a snapshot is still very much questionable as that looks like it could be after the fact, whether lee made contact with the ball first (which is what is being claimed). the actual video would explain itself.

 

So are you saying that the RULE is that as long as hit hit ball first, that it's okay that after his hand is off the ball, that he swipes Harden's wrist/forearm as the shot continues and that's not a foul in the NBA?

 

pretty much. as long as a defender makes direct contact with the ball initially, regardless of the hand that's not a foul. As the shot continues, if there's some contact naturally, it isn't a foul. You'll rarely see that called.

 

We are not talking about the "HAND", we are talking about making contact with the wrist and forearm after the ball. Unless I see it from the rule book, I'm not buying that that's not a foul. If you can't hold contact with the ball until it leaves the players hand, how does touching it early give you the right to foul on the wrist and forearm when any other time you can't?

 

Now i saw the video on the report and stopping it as better as i can seems a lot more hand than ball...does anybody else see it the same way?

 

making contact with the wrist/forearm after you get ball first is the natural contact I was referring to. It happens bc both the ball and defenders hands are moving, especially when the offensive player tries to adjust the shot.

 

I have seen the video, Lee gets his hand on the ball as Harden is going up, but doesn't knock it out of Harden's hands. Harden continues with the shot attempt and Lee's hand hit's Harden on the wrist and forearm as is shown in the video by Clutch. So by rule, is this additional contact made after the touch of the ball, because it wasn't a block because Harden still had full control of the ball, does that excuse Lee from fouling Harden on the wrist and forearm? Because it wasn't Harden's hand that Lee hit.

 

In the vids I saw, Harden made the adjustment (a double clutch) after the contact, to try to gather himself for the release. And that gave KL time to catch up to make the block. If Harden isn't fouled, he doesn't have to re-gather himself, the shot is release and the KL block never happens.
And of course Harden makes the shot.

 

So just explained exactly what happened during the play, but didn't answer if that is a foul by rule or not, yet you indicated earlier that it is okay. So what's the rule? You can foul on the wrist or forearm as long as you touch ball first? Because he didn't block the ball or knock it our of Harden's hand, nor did he foul Harden on the "hand". Harden had full control of the ball and continue with the shot...and to me was FOULED!