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For JVG and GM: develop a plan to play V-Span

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tsl99, Mar 1, 2007.

  1. jopatmc

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    Hehehehe

    OMG..........are you trying to really trying to justify that V-Span would have way more turnovers than Rafer if given Rafer's minutes? Ever considered that there are alot of factors that 'rates' ignore? I bet you were that Rafer prank poster saying he should continue to play 35 minutes a game even if his field goal percentage slipped into the 20s.



    ....................hook, line, and sinker. Yank!
     
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    Well, compare it that way then. VSpan hasn't gotten to play a lot of meaningful minutes with rotation guys. He has gotten garbage minutes with the rest of the scrubs. So, you can't argue that his low shooting percentage makes him a worse shooter than Rafer either, or his high turnover percentage makes his turnovers worse than Rafer's either.

    It sure is easy to compare stats when they are in Rafer's favor, isn't it?
     
  3. Rocketeer

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    V-Span is going to be fine. I like his potential but those who believe he is ready to contribute RIGHT now are just reaching. He is NOT the answer to our problems. At least not this season. I DO believe he needs to play over JLIII though.
     
  4. Outlier

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    Except I didn't try to justify that. It's unknown. You tried to justify it by trying to give those useless 'rates' facts. And hehehe... I do consider there are many factors rates ignore, actually... that's why I replied that statement to you. And you replied back with some mockery assuming I'm a Rafer supporter. You were fooled.

    It takes 5ive.

    And while Rafer isn't doing a good job, I would never suggest that V-Span would have been the savior to this season and solution to all our woes. (Like many V-Span lovers claim)
     
  5. Yetti

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    If you watched the last World Championships and you are a fan of Basketball, then you are aware that V.Span has great talent and if you are a Rockets fan you know that JVG has done little to give him playing time/coaching to develop his game in the NBA manner. Knowing these two facts gets to some of us fans who have always wanted the Rockets to have a top notch Playmaking Point Guard and seeing V Span languish on the bench, does not sustain our faith in our team's Coach.
     
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    And I am not claiming that he is a savior either. I have consistently said that Rafer has played bad enough to take away a few of his minutes and VSpan hasn't played bad enough not to earn a second chance at the rotation and VSpan has as a matter of fact played well enough to justify more minutes.


    By the way, there have been many, many people who have pointed to VSpan's shooting percentages and turnovers as the reason not to play him and to justify calling him not an NBA player, trash, etc. etc. etc.
     
  8. pacman

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    Vspan has that fearless attitude that I think would have contributed to bringing some spark off the bench. I feel many of our players get intimidated or disheartened to a certain extent when playing top teams like Dallas and Phoenix.... Almost all of them with the exception of Mcgrady seem to play poorlyl when facing those teams. but Vspan has that edge to him , a confidence that he can take them on.... I saw flashes of it in that preseason game against Dallas... Yes , it was only a preseason game but since that is the only time he got significant minutes.... anyway, he was taking charges.... forcing turnovers and driving hard to the basket. It was this same attitude that made him look at Chris Paul and Team USA in the eye without ever flinching. It just makes you wonder why we can't play him for like two minutes at the end of quarters... rafer needs the rest and I'm sure not much will happen in two minutes prior to the lets say the end of the 1st quarter.
     
  9. SamFisher

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    You pathological lying deviant. Look up what Tony Delk and Mike Batiste are up to now, better yet compare and contrast Pete Mickeal's Rockets career and his Spanish league career.

    Then reflect on how stupid you are. Then follow through on your whiny pledge to leave the BBS forever.

    PS let me tell you a little story about Casey Jacobsen.

    It was during his rookie year, the Bulls 72-10 season...
     
  10. Rookie34

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    Great post Yetti!
     
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    Vspan is not the answer, esp this year. I expect that he'll see around 20min next year and gradually become productive. I see him as a potential spark off the bench, but not this year. But fans claiming for his minutes now are only looking at fool's gold. When you're playing this good, you don't switch up the rotation that has been winning games.
     
  12. pacman

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    There is some merit to that but one could argue that the heavy minutes some players are getting will hurt us in the long term. Dallas seems to be keeping their players fresh with a good rotation. Anyway, we'll see in the playoffs, I hope rafer doesn't get worn out by playoff time because of the heavy minutes he's getting.
     
  13. Carl Herrera

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    It's VSpan's job to develop a plan to play himself. The coach and GM's job is to develop a plan to win games.
     
  14. Luffy1

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    Ridiculous. Hard to develop a plan when no matter how hard you work the coach won't play you out of spite. What plan did rafer develop to get all that playing time? Contest to see how many 3s he can jack up and brick? :rolleyes:
     
  15. Carl Herrera

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    http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2007/03/the_view_from_mount_mutombo_an_1.html
    Apparently, Spanoulis believes he can improve while he's out of the rotations.
     
  16. Luffy1

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    Of course he's going to say that. Do you really expect him to say he's not improving. Bottom line is vspan was ready from day 1. What if JVG said he was improving at coaching while working at TNT where he belongs?
     
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    manu totally dominated the euroleague. He scored like 26 a game.
     
  18. Caboose

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    nash is from canada. he never played in the euroleague or any other pro league so this comment makes no sense. im not talking about the country the players come from. I'm just saying that Anthony Parker was the MVP over there twice I believe, and he came over here and is a solid player, but not a superstar. In Europe he was a megastar. Your comment makes no sense because first off Steve Nash is an amazing NBA player and he never dominated a foreign league and then came here and became a good role player. I don't get where you were going with that comment. Anyways Anthony Parker was born in Iowa.
     
  19. BigEleven

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    I never have any doubt in VSpan's talent and potential. He is going to shine and at least be a better PG than Rafer. But for the time being, he needs patience and work harder to adjust his game to make him a better fit for the team. The coaches watch him practice every day and I believe they make much better judgement than us.

     
  20. Caboose

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    v-span never won the euroleague mvp. he won the greek championship. he was second team all euroleague, not the mvp.
     

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