yea hthos guys did do great. I never said that. Part of my point was that just because your from europe doesn't mean your gonna be like that. Parker was putting up better numbers in Europe at 18 then V-Span at 23. V-Span was good in Europe. Some Euroleague players can be stars like Dirk and Manu, but just because you did well in Europe doesn't mean your gonna be a star here. There was a reason that V-Span was the 50 something pick and was traded for another 50 something pick. There have been some second round euros that have done well, but it doesn't mean Manu well. And I watched the entire WBCs so how isn't that valid? Those are stats. I didn't make them up and I watched a lot of those games.
my basic is that he shot 35% from the field, averaged just 1.3 assists per game (4th on his team), and choked in the title game (1-10, 4 points). Lighting up the US was a good accomplishment, but he isn't the first player to do it. Maleye Ndoye dropped 25 against the US, and I don't see teams going nuts about him.
I don't see why people are using international games against relatively crappy USA teams as some sort of leg to stand on for determining a player's value. We should just sign the entire Argentina team, because they are better than 12 of the top 25-30 NBA players.
For God's sake, could we please drop this play Vspan silliness. We're one of the best 5 or 6 teams in the league despite not having one or both of our two best players in 30+ games. Vspan needs to wait his turn like every other rookie. He's not special or different. He has to earn his time like everyone else and, frankly, we just don't need him at the moment.
I think most of our vspan supporters think Rafer is starter and better than vspan but we think vspan is better to handler and pass the ball than head or JL3. So when rafer rest, give this guy some play time to try.
Eh, hypotheticals. I could look at all 35 games we've won and probably seen about at least 10-15 where if we played V-span we would hypothetically lose.
Vspan supporters use the Greece vs USA game as a reference of his value because they know that it is probably the only full game of him that you would have seen. Give me all the stats that you want... anybody that has seen Vspan play for Greece over the past years and for panathinaikos in Greece and in Euroleague has seen what he is cappable of. Now you can say whatever you want about European basketball, its going to be your opinion... and you are going to be wrong! because you all exaggerate the level of play in the NBA. Sure it is showcased as the best league in the world and sure the level of athleticism and talent is amazing, but the level of basketball IQ of the players but also the way the game is played in Europe is way better. but again that is my opinion... so i could be wrong. what is a fact is that you can use all the stats you want and any other ridiculous arguments (remember that one time when he tripped and lost the ball? or that other time ...) to make you feel better about the fact that you have a great player in your team and do not utilise him. I personally do not care what you think, and i am not the hugest Houston rockets fan (although it is a team that i support in the NBA) however i can not stand the sight of wasted talent...
Good thing you didn't watch the Rockets before then. Mmm...Eddie Griffin. V-span WILL have his time to shine though, if he plays it right; the time just isin't right for him right now.
all I know is that no league with Anthony Parker as its MVP can compare to the NBA at all. Many euroleague stars have come to the US and have sucked. For every Dirk there is atleast one Mirsad Turkcan.
Have you actually seen Anthony Parker play? No league can compare to another league which has Steve Nash as its MVP because Nash is also an international player?
... Anyone that compares the leagues by comparing how players did in one and in the other, their stats, who was the mvp, or the motivation of European players to join the nba is a fool.. these are complete wrong indicators of a better league. The game in the Nba is totally different from the game in Europe. Superstars in the Nba score 40+ points in a game, this years Mvp Papaloukas's stats can not compare with anything like that. But if you see him play you will understand why he is the mvp. Do you want me to start on examples of Nba veterans that sucked when they came to Europe? And as I said before the Nba is without a doubt the most showcased league in the world. It seems natural that many athletes who have success in Europe would try their luck there. Anthony Parker is a great player, it is his first year in the Nba and as far as i know he is doing great.
I totally agree with that. As most coaches such as Popovic , and D'Antoni said during their European tour, teams in Europe have more practice time because they don't play that many number of games, on the other hand, NBA teams have less time for practice because the emphasis is on playing more games. It is more team-oriented in European games because they have more time to practice plays on offense and defense. On the other hand, the NBA game would focuses more on the superstar concept and players built around one or two superstars and this would be natural considering the limited amount of practice time teams have. Which is more superior ? the team concept or the superstar concept? Again it depends on the kind of superstars you have. Team USA got beat by a more team oriented Greek team and by a fearless pointguard which is now languishing on the bench. But I still think the superstar concept would still prevail if the US only had strong dominant big men. Dwight Howard and Elton Brand, even Ben Wallace simply pale in comparison to the Dream Team Era of Olajuwon, Ewing, Robinson, even Shaq in his prime. Team USA's dominance in the world stage will depend on the new breed of big men... Its becoming a small player's game in the NBA but in the end , the intimidation and demoralizing effect of a dominant big man will be the key to dominance. If you watched any of Shaq's dream team games , he was swatting away sky hooks and all sorts of stuff in there, same with Dream and other big men. It will be interesting to see If Greg Oden can bring to the table.
Yeah, I knew that stat and referenced it in my post. According to NBA.com that stat (and keep in mind his limited playing time) makes him #51 in the leauge in turnovers.
V-Span has significantly lowered his turnovers, he has gone 5 games without even one turnover. It is time to give him some minutes...IMHO. DD
Um Spanoulis was a ROY a gold medal Euro winner, and a Euroleague title winner PLUS he won the Euro MVP. He did all that in JUST 2 years in the elague, something NO OTHER PLAYER ever did in his first 2 years.
I can speak for myself and say that I never claimed Spanoulis is good because of that game. Many other fans also said that this is an indication and not a proof of Spanoulis capabilities. Those two things are different if you ask me. As for the Euroleague level it's definitely way better than sweet 16 of NCAA and clearly higher than NBDL. It's the second best league in the world after the nba, it's just that nba fans don't know much about other leagues. Euro sensations we've been watching in the nba were seasoned over there. And please don't confuse Euroleague with European leagues. Euroleague is the top competition of 24 teams from Europe that also play in the domestic competitions in their own countries. Te domestic leagues of some of those countries (Spain,Italy,Greece,Russia,Turkey) are still clearly better than the nbdl for example.
Wow, cant believe you broke this stat out. People also say that Yao is too prone to turning the ball over and getting in foul trouble. Did you realize though that Yao didnt have a single turnover or commit a single foul in the entire months of January and February.
