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For JVG and GM: develop a plan to play V-Span

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tsl99, Mar 1, 2007.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!
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    His development will be directly effected by how much playing time he gets to develop on the court. If he gets little it will take longer, if he gets more, shorter.....

    DD
     
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    "You know what potential means? Potential means you done jack **** and because of that, people are banking that you'll do something good...evantually."
     
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    And, to sound off again, (kinda sorry for the double post, if this does become one :/), if V-span played like he played in those 5 minutes...5 mins a game for V-span could potentially lose games for the Rockets. I'm not willing to take that chance. Its not like we're lottery-bound and desperate to develop late 2nd-round picks.

    Seriously, why all the development love for V-span? Its not like we drafted him 1st overall...sure, it'd be nice if he ended up like Parker, buta more realistic comparision would be the career paths of all those nameless Euros chosen in the late 2nd round. Its more then likely that he'll end up being one of them rather then a Parker or a Ginobili.

    Why not compare V-span to Igor Rakočević? Antonis Fotsis? Mario Kasun? Andreas Glyniadakis? Nedžad Sinanović? Remon Van de Hare?

    Is it because all of those Euros failed...and you just know that V-span won't? :rolleyes:
     
  4. DaDakota

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    Yes, but potential never turns into reality unless a chance is given to prove oneself on the battlefield.

    Mistakes will happen, but if a good player comes through the trials and learning, then it will be a much stronger team.
    No guarantees in life, but one, if you don't ever get a chance to try, you will surely fail.

    IMHO, V-Span will be special, one of the better PGs in the league...in time. And since our current PG is pretty bad, I would be in favor of trying to get a replacement up to speed ASAP.

    And 90 posts in only 4 days....MY SON !! You will overtake me in under 4 years.

    :D

    DD
     
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    Potential also has the potential to turn into nothing...see: Eddie Griffin, Kandiman etc.


    Heh, been lurking for a while, so I've wanted to post for a while. Big explosion in posts! But that's probably going to go down, no way I'm scoring 26000 in four years :eek:
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Yes it does, but at least get a look at them on the court before making a judgement.



    Well, welcome to the trenches !

    DD
     
  7. jordan_123

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    his point is that calderon is not a rookie .is v span a rookie?
     
  8. DaDakota

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    Yes, I get that, but at 24 and an accomplished player on the international stage is more than an average rookie.....or should be.....

    DD
     
  9. NewYorker

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    While international basketball has improved - I still don't think it's anywhere near the NBA level.

    I'd still pick any NBA playoff team over any international team.

    And I'd still pick Florida ST over the Greece or whomever.

    There's a reason why international stars come to the states to play basketball, and it's just not the money. VSPAN is a rookie, no different from any rookie out of college.
     
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    yeah im so jealous of the nets right now.... nachbar has totally turned around that team....
     
  11. StupidMoniker

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    Ginobili and Parker got to play in their rookie years because they produced.
    FG%
    Parker .419
    Ginobili .438
    Spanoulis .322
    3pt%
    Parker .323
    Ginobili .345
    Spanoulis .208
    A:TO
    Parker 2.19
    Ginobili 1.38
    Spanoulis 1.02
    The only area V-SPAN has an edge is FT shooting. Maybe V-SPAN will be good someday, but he needs to get better in practice to earn time on the floor, because the stuff he is bringing now won't cut it.
     
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    How much does practice affect the rotation? Is practice play considered or are rotations based on proper game form? cause it has been posted here beore that the rockets don' t practise much...
     
  13. DaDakota

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    Chicken and egg.....V-Span has had one small stint where he played significant minutes....

    He should have been playing backup PG all year....

    DD
     
  14. SamFisher

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    Dude, it took 5 years and 3 teams for him to put together a good stretch of games.

    You've got terminal grass is greener syndrome. I'm interested in winning today. And don't give me that "if we play him now we'll win today and tomorrow" BS - we played him now, and he didn't look capable of helping anybody win.
     
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    Did I just read someone comparing Boki to Manu/Parker? It's early and I haven't had my coffee yet, so I hope I am mistaken
     
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    To whomever said that Euro players and US players are on the same level i can agree partially. Euro-players are smarter than US players and have a higher basketball IQ when on the other hand the only thing the US players have over Euro's usually is the fact that US players tend to have more athleticism.

    personally if i was the coach my rotation would be

    Yao
    Sugar Shane
    T-mac
    Bonzi
    Rafer

    Head
    Billy
    Kirk
    Jl III (limited mins)

    You have to experiment wit the guards to see which ones would play better against which teams and defenders i've seen games where i know kirk and billy would have caused fits for the opposing teams. And also the knock on billy that he is turnover prone is half truth... alot of his passes tend to be to be touched but not caught


    Juwan
    Chuck
    Novak (limited mins)

    Deke
    Jake (mins split between the 2)

    JVG's defensive obsession at times can be costly but i think he's done ok so far this season... i'd give him a B- but i would think he's still on the hot seat
     
  17. SamFisher

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    This rotation would get the rockets killed by any team that has anything at PF , and would be outrebounded by about 5:1.

    Otherwise you're advocating a 14-man rotation. Sorry but the pie is not sliced that thinly.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    Or his team would win every game by more than 20 points....see how much fun guessing is Sam?

    DD
     
  19. DaDakota

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    That is the crux of the matter, I don't think playing young guys means you lose, and it strengthens your team later.

    San Antonio is a perfect example....you develop your core and then hand pick veterans to add in free agency.

    DD
     
  20. SamFisher

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    The guys San Antonio were playing were good enough to make immediate impacts and be positive contributors from the get-go - Spanoulis is not.

    I've run the Spanoulis/Parker comparison through 250 minutes or whatever it is before and Parker's production outshines Spanoulis by a longshot. He was simply much better, much earlier on in his career.
     

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