For all those who think Mobley is as good as Francis

That entire game I kept thinking about Sacramento this season. Their stud, Webber, hasn't played one minute, yet they're mopping the court with most teams in the league. If we were to lose Francis for a half a season, it's lotto time AGAIN.

 

I don't know...care to tell us?

 

You strike me as the type who wants to argue just to do it (thus the reason for me using "argumentative"). It is all in your delivery, dude.

Reading some of the posts you have had with MadMax recently has reinforced that thinking on my part, but I had already come to that from past experiences that I have had with you. I think you are a smart individual (which I mentioned as well up above) but a little headstrong and emotional.

But I guess I look at the fact that there are many times where there is no right or wrong answer in discussions here. Not everything is that cut and dry, pgabriel.

 

All I ever said is Mobley would be a better shoting guard than Francis. I still think so. This was ONE game. Give me a break.
Does this also mean Yao isn't good enough? If Cat got injured and Steve played SG, the other team's SG would have 30.

 

The Rox are not the worst team in the league. The Rox do not have top tier talent.

On a good night they are very, very good. When will the next good night occur? Good night.

 

if we could trade cat for ricky davis would yall do it?

obvious benefits and drawbacks here

 

I wouldn't...seems to me Cat is a better person and more intelligent, while the talent level seems to be similar.

 

Don't be mean. He said "LIKE Pippen"

 

It's pathetic to see your post of "For all those who think Mobley is as good as Francis",pgabriel. Your censure is harsh without rational arguments. You mislead some here and turn the post into another Cat-bashing thread.

Your "Fist"

You blame Cat's performance at PHO with stats like this:16 points,7 rebs,2 assist,2 steal,1 block with FG% 5/18 in 40 min.That's not awful stats at all despite of FG%.Just because your so called "This was his time to shine and he didn't"??? Come on,guy. Every player has up and down. ONE bad game can prove nothing. At least he went all out to take the team over and fought along with his teammates.

Your "Second"

You mean Cat is a "second rate player" who can only benefits from others' presence on the court,at the same time he can't make it easier on teammates. Ah. Give me a break. It is not only illogical, it is completely implausible. Basketball is a team game,you know. There are double-win connections with five teammates on the court.(e.g. When our center Yao was double teamed night in and night out,it was Mobley hit the outside shot and 3pt shot making the opponent pay back painfully. While the opponent adopted Zone to defend on our Guard, it was Yao or Taylor banged in the low post so as to attract opposite attention. If Cat can't make it easier on teammates, why not bald head replace him for another player???

By the way, you just argue Cat's defence with the example of Joe Johnson who's in hot,averaging 20+ in last 6 games, Why could you hardly remember A.Iverson,T.Mcgrady he match with flying colors ???

I'm tired of discussing that with you...

 

At least Mobley can hit the shot off of a screen or pass. Francis HAS to dribble to make his shot, and that is killing this team right now.

I don't think Mobley is as good as Steve, but I think he has been more consistent this year.

IMHO, Steve is the biggest problem on the team. He says the right things to the media, but DOES something completely different on the floor.

Steve is a good player who thinks he is great....he isn't. He is just a very good player.

Steve will never be a Super Star or hall of fame player because he doesn't have the smarts to become a good team player.

Steve is simply NOT a PG, and will never become a good one.

DD

 

Not true. Jamison is making max money. I'm not sure Portland thinks he deserves that and they would rather choose on their own on who to give that money too in the offseason. Cat is making excellent money for a 2. He would be a PERFECT eddition next to Zach Randoph. Plus he fills Wells shoes nicely. Plus he is a good citizen, a model citizen. They would love to have players like that. I'm sure they might consider Cat + the trade exception for Wallace. I'm not sure if i would if i were the Rockets. To me, thats giving too much value to a headcase player who is a free agent at the end of the summer.

 

I agree with everything you said, but I'd like to add something that no one ever brings up:

ANY offensive benefits we might see from moving Francis to the two will be more than offset by his inability to defend twos across the league.

 

I agree with everything in pgabriel's last post.

 

Pgab,

You are correct. Francis commands the other teams attention, and if he would learn how to set his teamates up the game would be much easier for everyone.

Agreed you can not trade him for role players, you need to get someone who also commands attention from the other team.

I just think the main problem with this team is one of identity, is it Yao's team or Steves?

IMHO, the sooner it becomes Yaos the sooner they go to the playoffs.

DD

 

BAD

 

Pole, where does it say that the 2 on offense has to guard the other 2 on defense?

Don't forget that our main defenseive weapon is Yao guarding the post. Not Francis or Mobley's defense. So, Yao, just standing there, is a saftynet for our guards letting players go by.

So, the benifits of Francis at the 2 will give us a better chance to score (because Francis be doing what he's good at) and Yao will still be in the post to erase mistakes made by our guards lack of defense. Plus, we can switch the 1 and 2 defensive players.

Sure, we might give up some points. But our problem is offensive flow. We have none. We need to solve that.

 

It is the essence of the sin of pride. When you lose, you lose. Take your lumps and be a smarter, better person. Fighting when you are wrong makes you an ass, or worse. See Steve Francis.

 

They already score 30 now. So why not get some of those points back if Francis can score more easily?