KT is not as good a fit for our team as Mo T is. KT needs the ball in his hands in an ISO situation to score. If you reallythink so little of Mo T and just don't want to accept that he's at least AS good as KT and a better fit for our team, then at least realize that MoT is untradeable.
I understand the untradability But WHEN DID MO BECOME DALE ELLIS? [Mr Catch and Shoot] Even on his jumper he has a rhythm . . almost ISO like Rocket River
I'm willing to bet my business Mo taylor didn't put up 15 pts qt's as you suggest. Griffin needs Taylor and Ming needs Cato like a teeanager needs acne. You can say what you want, but we have seen the best of Mo Taylor. Isn't it interesting that no one wanted him the summer he signed with the Rockets? He was just dangling and the only team that showed a hlaf ass interest was the Sonics b/c they wanted to ditched their overpaid out of shape soft power forward. Once the deal fell through, they didn't even look twice at Taylor. You don't have to resort to insults just because i don't agree with your assessment of a player. I think he's a gifted player atheletically, but there are 100's of those in the nba and taylor seems to be one of the players that will always do enough to stay in the league. The difference between Taylor a a all star type 4 is hard work, thats it. Its just like looking at Camby vs O'neal. O'neal even though being younger proved himself by working in the offseason whereas Camby a player with similar atheletic skill continues to be a career tease. Put Taylor in Camby's class, not J' O'Neals.
Ok, I just checked the stats of Taylor in 2000-01, and KT in 01-02. Here is the notables I took down: KT 34.5MPG 14.1ppg 7rpg Fg% .664 Taylor 28.6MPG 13ppg 5.5rpg FG% .735 KT has one more point and 1.5 more rebounds. However, Taylor played in about 5 or 6 less minutes and had a higher FG%. KT had about 1 more spg, but that shouldn't matter much. Anyway, in the year where it took Mo half a year to learn the system, he still put about the same amount of numbers as KT did last year. In other words, he is almost assured to put up better numbers. KT can too, but I also believe he is near-maxed out. Taylor is fixed for our offense because he can open up the lanes with his shooting. And although KT will be cheaper this year,(if we extend him.) he is up for a new contract next year. Probably a rather large one at that. My choice for PF is Mo. I love KT's heart, but Mo was blessed with more talent and is reportedly trying to get in shape as well. Oh yeah, I believe Cato could be at a big man's camp because one of the Rocket's big guys,(either Rudy or Carrol.) said he had been working out the hardest. He could still be lying, but I doubt Cato is working out really hard just in his back yard.
Rocket River, I agree he's no Dale Ellis. But don't you agree that the offense flowed smoothly when Mo was in the line up? That it isn't the same with KT? Listen, don't take me as a KT hater. I think he can be incredibly succesful. In fact, put him on the Bucks and he puts them over the edge, towards title success. But he's in an unfortunate situation here in Houston. More thoughts on Cato: If his teammates gained confidence in his trusty 15-ft jumper, and he worked on one more move at this big man camp, then Cato won't be as redundant on offense. He'll have a few moves. The alley-oop, the typical dunk, the new move, and the 15 foot jumper. It would be nice if that new move was a baby-hook. If the Rockets trade KT for a defensive backup 2-guard, then we'd be in great shape for next season. Cato/Ming/Collier MoT/Griffin/T-Mo Rice/Nachbar/T-Mo Mobley/Acquired 2-guard Francis/Mooch/Maddox I really like that team. Hopefully, that 2-guard will have experience, especially in the playoffs, and will have good leadership skills. Prefferably bigger than both Francis and Cuttino. That would be a brilliant team to take into the playoffs. Would seattle do a KT for Brent Barry deal? They're a bit thin at PF, and KT can help Radomanovic ease into his role. Since Desmond Mason has been performing admirably, maybe this would be a good deal for them. Payton will sure like it, he loves KT's game.
What's your business worth, leebigez? Mo had at least five 15pt 1st quarters in the second half of that season. And he was consistent for more than ten games putting up at least 10 in the first. I wasn't insulting you. You're the one who said you didn't remember. And it was obvious you didn't.
Out of those 5 15 pt first qt outburst, how many points did he wind up with? How many double-doubles did he have? I'll tell you, 3. How can you realistically say that Taylor is better or whatever when Thomas dwarfed his double-doubles,put up more points and grabbed more rebs. As much as people want to point to the 45 win season and the major contribution Taylor had, that team was very avg until Hakeem stopped sulking and put up 16pts 11rebs and 2 blks a game during about a 16 game stretch. Once Rudy stopped taking Hakeem out for Kenny Thomas the team started to take off, but once he got hurt again, they went back to the normal avg team. If you want to give credit to the success of the 45 win team to Taylor, you should go ahead and call Anderson also.
Its kind of funny how everyone thinks Kenny avg way more rpg than Mo. I did too. DID. I looked up the two's stats, which I already displayed, and Kenny only avg 1.5 more rpg in about 5 or 6 more minutes. Now I didn't look up double-doubles, but I would assume Mo could improve by 1.5 rpg, at least.
Whatever, leebigez. You just got done saying he DIDN'T have 15 pt. first quarters. That's what you were ready to bet your business on. Now you're saying those 15 pt first quarters don't matter because KT put up equitable numbers. I never said he didn't. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to tell me what business you used to own though, as I apparently now own it. p.s. I'm not participating in the MoT v. KT sweepstakes. I love both of them. You people who are obsessed with figuring out which of two players from the same team is better bore the **** out of me. I always think, when I read those threads, wouldn't it be great if both those guys were on the same team...? Oh, wait! They are! And what the hell is the argument about???? Mo for Rashard's a fair market deal. And I still hope we don't do it. I'd rather have Mo. That's my bias. I'm a Rocket fan. Mo's a Rocket. As much as anyone ever has been. He's a Rocket because he loves being a Rocket. Your bashing is beneath you, you're a poor fan, and you owe me a business.
I hope this does not include me. I've been comparing the two lately, mainly putting down KT during it. Hoever, I'm only doing this because of the people who say Taylor is overpaid,lazy,fat,can't rebound, etc. Then they say KT is a rebounding freak. Ok maybe I'm exaggerating. So I try to tell them that Mo isn't as bad as everyone thinks. I really like Kenny. If we could find pt for him, I'd love to see him play. Hopefully, we can. I, like you, like everybody on the Rockets. I'm so bias that I consider every rocket is better than other players. That's right, T-Mo is 10x better than Kobe.
RC: I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the people who call either Mo OR KT worthless and back it up by the fact that one is marginally better than the other in one particular stat category. I know what you were doing and it's needed, since we have a player who's committed to the team, works hard, puts up decent numbers and suffers ridiculous criticism from ridiculous people. You shouldn't have to defend Mo to leebigez anymore though. He'll be busy finding work since he just lost his business to me. Whatever business that was... Come to think of it, I'm much too busy with my business to run his. Anyone wanna buy a business? I don't know what it is, but it's cheap...
I sort of figured you weren't talking about me, but I wasn't sure. I kind of over-react to posts that badmouth our players. All it takes is one player to say "Steve is a ballhog,"or "Taylor is overweight," and I'll be arguing all night with that person. That's mainly why I have increased my post count in a rather short time. I had about 180 about 3 days ago. I kind of feel bad especially with Clutch's free post thread. I know I'm not free posting, but I can't help but feel bad when I'm doing a "yes he is" "no he's not" arguement. The funny thing is a little over a month ago, I was too shy to post ANYTHING on any forum. These are my first and only forums I have ever posted on.
Same here, RC Cola. I lurked for almost three years before posting. Speak truth, from your heart, and don't worry. That kind of stuff's never free posting.
Check Kenny's Stats in 2001 - 24.6 minutes per game. 5.6 rebounds. That same Year Mo Tay was Avg 5.5 with 4 more minutes a game. BTW FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE 2002: KT .478 MoTay .489 [the percentages you showed was Free Throws] My PF of Choice of the two is KT. KT's jumper may not be as automatic. . . BUT IT AIN'T BAD EITHER! Rocket River KT TRIVIA FROM THE ROCKET SITE: Grabbed a career-high 2 rebounds vs. Atlanta on April 1, 2000, becoming the first NBA rookie to reach 20 rebounds since Tim Duncan and the first Rockets rookie to reach this mark since Hakeem Olajuwon. When did Mo have a 20 Rebound Game?
Personally, IMHO, Mo suits the Rockets better. The point being individual stats are not better than collective chemistry when it comes to winning in the NBA. We have a star in Francis, a close star in Mobley, up and coming in Griffin, and other pieces falling in place. Out talent level is very good, so does KT or Mo fit in better? On offense: KT is an iso player plain and simple, watch last seasons games again, he's almost all iso. When passed the ball outside of the paint, he will face up, wait for defender, then attack with his nasty first step/spin move/ext.....His convidence in his jumper fluctuates. I'm not knocking him, cause he's a hell of a player, just stating his game. Mo's goto shot probably is the jumper, his convidence is always high on it. At points, his jumper is automatic. The thing is, how many times did we see our guards penetrate, give to KT, just to watch him stop for defender so he could take him off the dribble? Worse yet, when our guards would dribble the freakin ball into the ground and with less than 10 seconds left pass to KT, for him to face up him man. Mo on the otherhand, almost always got his in the flow just off of jumpers. Yes they isoed him some, but he was not exclusively iso, he could get the assist for a jumper in the flow. IMHO the iso is not a role we need in other positions when our first and second options are iso players. On defense and rebounds I think KT and Mo are very close, but I'll leave that to the rest of you to argue.
I like them both but MoT fits better. KT wants to start and does not like coming off the bench. His size is a liability in the western conference. He is better suited coming off the bench which he does not want to do. MoT is better suited for the western conference and does not have a problem coming off the bench or playing any position he is needed to. I like KT's heart and hustle but I do not like his me 1st , team 2nd attitude. No amount of stats or projections are going to change that. I heard MoT was in LA during the summer leagues and was helping EG. MoT knows as well as we all do that EG is the future PF for the Rockets but MoT is still willing to help EG get better knowing he is accelerating EG into the starting lineup faster. When KT was recovering from a minor injury last year and EG was starting, KT did not help or encourage EG in any way except to whine about not starting. Again let me reinterate.....I LIKE THEM BOTH!!!! I just think KT is better suited coming off the bench... Too bad KT doesn't feel that way.
i've never participated in the whole KT v MO-T debate before, because they usually fizzle down to a "i like him, your guy sucks" pissoff. however, this quote summarizes my feelings precisely. mo taylor fits the rockets better...kt may have more heart, etc., but i don't think his heart belongs on this team. in fact, i like to call him Immodium KT, because he slows everything down...
Truthfully, I think both are 2nd tier 4's, but right now, its probably going to come down to which one gets you the most in return via trade. Griffin needs to play as much as his body can stand it regardless of the results. You don't trade away 3 picks to sit an extremeley talented player and let him learn from the bench. Myself personally, I would call cleveland and offer Taylor and Thomas for Ty Hill and a future lotto protected pick. Hill could back up Griffin and give the Rockets the so called enforcer they lack. Hill comes off the books after this season and we wouldn't be so close to the luxury tax threshold. Just my thoughts, but seriously its a problem thats going to have to be resolved because Griffin needs to play to develop, Thomas needs to play for contract purposes and Taylor need to play for trade purposes. With the glut we have now,all three can't be accomplished at the same time.
I just want to chime in with this: RocketRiver, Mo T had a 20-rebound game against none other than the Houston Rockets while he was with the Clippers. You suer didn't know that.
