The difference is that this is a crime and against the law, whereas in Qatar, we are talking about law. I am far from saying that other countries have no issues, but that's the difference. Oh, and sorry about that back button. I was looking forward to your response .
I already considered Blatter and his cronies corrupt back then. I have no doubt that shady things went on behind the scenes back then as well.
The reality of the matter is, there are sore losers after every world cup hosting decision. There are claims of bribery and corruption after every single one. I am just trying to make a point that it is very important to recognize the difference between who is being critical of the Qatari victory for valid reasons, and who is using this opportunity as an excuse to spew hatred that is completely unrelated to this world cup bid.
Weak stuff. The evident bribery and corruption in the voting process is one thing. The other thing is whether the outcome of the vote makes sense or not. I am looking forward to this bringing some of the more obvious pieces of evidence of the culture clash to light.
South Americans, Asians, and Africans mostly don't give a crap that Qatar got the WC. BUT the Western world for some reason is going gaga over it, stop the imperialistic attitude and get with the rest of the world. We know you are socially more advanced, big whoop, everything is cyclical, there will be a time where you won't be on top. BTW it seems you did not read the article I posted about South Africa, it stated that the state and legal system looked the other way when it came to these rapes of lesbians, that;s insane if you ask me. Then again I don't judge a country like that, they've come a long way and seem to be heading in the right direction.
As so often, you are talking out of your ass. Provide proof that South Americans, Asians and Africans don't give a crap. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/153038880
LOL. I have tons of African friends. They generally think the decision is a complete joke and that Blatter is the most corrupt individual on the face of the earth.
Nice article, did you read it? They (Japan and South Korea) were upset that a country that hasn't ever qualified is hosting. (Which is a very valid argument to make!!!!!) However, it is a very different argument from which is coming from Europe and N.America. Get off your high horse homie!
Dude the argument being made about human rights and freedoms is very different from arguing that Qatar does not deserve it because they've never qualified. Two VERY different positions to take. Im sure your "African friends" disagree with the choice but its not in line with the argument ATW is making.
You know what the problem is? Neither ATW nor the anti-ATWs would be debating this is if the country in question was Armenia. The point of "Qatar never played/qualified for WC" has no merit. ATW is against the choice because it is a country with Muslims as majority. The defendants are for the choice because ATW is against it lol. Take Islam out of the equation and 90% of people would just be plain confused by the choice, rather than angered or excited.
1) I would think Armenia would also not be a good choice. They have never qualified, they don't have the infrastructure, etc. etc.. 2) Yes, I would debate Armenia, but Qatar has additional issues that Armenia would not have. This is completely wrong. E.g., I would be perfectly fine with Turkey hosting one. They are crazy for football, they have a great tradition and, most importantly, while there are definite issues with regards to minorities and human rights, they respect civil liberties and basic human rights to a much larger extent on the whole than Qatar. It's not about Islam, it's (aside from the non-existing football tradition, the sweltering heat, the much-too-small country, etc.) about the civil liberties and human rights situation that results from their particular brand of islam (and lack of separation of church and state).
LOL, I admit I'm guilty of the above. I'm actually against the choice, it seems like FIFA was paid off as it was an odd choice relative to countries that have hosted in the past.
I'm not for the choice at all. I'm completely against it. I also am skeptical of the results, but no more skeptical than I have been since the 1998 choice, so while I want this corruption to end, I'm not going to pull a Franz Beckenbauer and suddenly decide that corruption is specifically bad right now, but wasn't 10 years ago. But the NATURE of the arguments being made in this thread is ridiculous IMO. It's as if someone is saying "yes there has always been corruption, and it has been rewarded in the past to countries that haven't qualified before, and it has been on some kind of regional rotation, and there is 12 years to go and an impeccable bid proposal, but this specific time it's different and they don't deserve it." Bleh. Football is supposed to transcend these boundaries. These boundaries are not meant to disappear because of football. Qatar will be Qatar, and France will be France, and each of the World Cups will have a dramatically different flavor. It saddens me that some people don't understand this and prefer to standardize the conditions in order to make Qatar feel like home. It just further shows how neither the Qatari organizers or said fans give a damn about the Qatari people and how this affects them.
Please provide a detailed quote from Franz Beckenbauer that says what you just said. I have seen his interviews, and he seemed to be the most positive voice in Germany when it came to Qatar as the choice (in fact, he was one of the 22 people who voted, and since Qatar got the majority of votes, there is a > 50 % chance that he actually voted for Qatar). Once again, you make up stuff, which is not too surprising for a notorious liar. Please name the countries which previously got the world cup that had not qualified, other than Italy in 1934 (second world cup ever and Italy had not participated in the first one). Hmm? Right, there are none. Once again, you prove to have no idea of the facts, yet you make up stuff to bolster your fallacious argument, as usual. The bid proposal is anything but impeccable. Just ask John Amaechi, to just name one person out of many: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/14122010/58/world-cup-blatter-joke-sparks-qatar-gay-row.html You have no good points, so you invent stuff, talk big words about how something "saddens" you and just blabber on about transcending boundaries and blablabla. With the same "justification", you could hold the world cup in the vatican, on the Maldives, or in Bora Bora.
Qatar's population is what 1.4 million? That stands out in itself, but what will a country with such a small population do with these stadiums after the world cup is finished? They stated 10 of the 12 stadiums will be located in Doha itself, will it be able to handle an influx in such as small area. Logistic nightmare if you ask me. Does the country have any experience holding large events anything similar to this? Also IMO I'd prefer to see countries that have qualified for the tourny to host.
You make good points but consider this: - How does the population of the country impact the World Cup? Is there a fear that the games won't fill up? If that's the worry, then rest assured the entire region will be moving there for the World Cup as there are no restrictions to enter Qatar for GCC nationals. That's around 50 million people excluding all the european and american expatriates in the region who do not need visas to enter Qatar. - It's already been stated, they are donating the stadiums to countries that can't afford to build them themselves. I think that's idiotic personally, but that's what they're going to do with it. But honestly, it's not my money, so I really don't care what they do with them. I am more concerned that the money could be put to better use for the nationals of that country. - I don't know if it will be able to handle the influx. But they have 12 years to answer your question. I'm confident that, given the money they are willing to throw away for the stadiums, they will be able to figure out a solution using external professional advisors. It's also possible that it doesn't go so well, and every country holds a certain type of risk. Like England with its hooliganism or South Africa with the crime or Korea/Japan with the constant travelling across islands, etc. Who knows. But the Qataris are aware of the problem and are working on it. - I don't know if they already do have the experience, but they are going to be hosting the Asian Cup and they hosted the Asian Games as well all in preparation. I'm sure they will do a lot of testing in the next 12 years and there is always the Confederations Cup which I think they will also host before the WC. - Personally, I don't see why it matters if a country HAS qualified before, but I am of the opinion that the host should have to qualify like everyone else. That's FIFA's problem though and the Qataris would put forward the same bid with the same effort IMO even if they didn't gain automatic entry. I think it will be different and interesting in a good way. But I think it's a colossal waste of money in a show of vanity. Unfortunately, you then have things like this going around: From a guy who needed Qatar's vote in a similarly controversial bidding process to win the bid for his country. I understand though. Given that Australia, the US, and England all lost out while Russia and Qatar won, it's only expected that the media will go ape-**** crazy.
