The choice is pretty easy: 1) Either Qatar and the region overcome their ass-backwardness and intolerance until 2022 or 2) they try to hide it during the world cup or 3) they will embarrass themselves in front of the world - no matter how much they think right now they can impress with bombastic stadiums they bought with their oil and gas money (let's not kid ourselves, the technology is not theirs). This will be interesting. If they choose option 2) (looking away when people get drunk and kiss on the street, when gays kiss on the street, treating Israelis like everyone else, allowing people to access Israeli websites from Qatar, etc. etc.) and then go back to their ass-backwards intolerant ways as before, they are exposed as inconsistent and the ridiculousness of their medieval, uneducated, repressed culture is shown. If they try to choose option 3) and enforce their own "culture" ways of repression and intolerance against liberal football fans who want to enjoy the game with a drink and without some "religion police" telling them what to do, what to expose, what not to expose, whom to kiss or not to kiss, the world will say it was the worst world cup ever. Accelerated culture clash!
I would not have had the idea to research this, but the arrogance in Mathloom's statement made me do it. They are certainly among the most inbred people in the world, apparently. -------- http://bleacherreport.com/articles/532967-usa-and-england-should-boycott-qatar-world-cup-selection Qatar World Cup Selection: Why the USA and England Should Boycott in 2022 The World Cup is one of my favorite events of any kind. I've attended four of the last five tournaments, and cheering on the United States during a big victory is one of the greatest treats a sports fan can imagine. Which is why it would be particularly painful for me if America boycotts the 2022 World Cup. The problem, though, is that a boycott of Qatar is the only reasonable course of action. The time has come for America, and other reasonable first-world nations, to put an end to the disgraceful actions committed by "global organizations" such as FIFA. Yes, we know that they don't like us because of our wealth and perceived arrogance, but this particular incident has crossed a very important line. The line must be drawn at precisely the point when human rights abusers take precedence over America. Qatar is a horrific abuser of human rights, and I will not allow my country to be snubbed in favor of those who commit atrocities. Period. Where can we start with Qatar? How about slavery! The government and elite of Qatar are open enablers of slavery within their borders. In fact, according to the State Department, Qatar "does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking and is not making significant efforts to do so." In other words, the Qatar government turns a blind eye to human trafficking. This usually takes the form of poor people from countries like India who are told they can work in Qatar, and, upon arrival, are informed that they will not get paid for their labor and cannot leave the country without being punished. That is not "kind of like" slavery. That is slavery, plain and simple. And in a country with an absolute monarch/dictator—which is laughably anachronistic in and of itself—it would be very easy to eliminate it. Just ask the English, whose king eliminated slavery in 1772. Slavery is not the only problem with Qatar. The Kingdom is also a close friend and partner of Iran. The last year has seen an increase in cooperation between the two nations, on both the economic and military fronts. There are only a handful of nations who have the audacity to cooperate with a human rights trampler like Iran. The fact that Qatar has taken steps to strengthen ties with Tehran in the wake of the 2009 oppressions is downright baffling. The final outrage over Qatar—as detailed here by the New York Times—is their practice of inbreeding. To say that the people of Qatar practice incest would be a gross understatement. They more or less demand it. Qatar tradition dictates that cousins must marry, which has made them one of the most birth-defect-plagued nations on the planet. One would think that tremendous wealth and modernization might stop this. Nope. They still marry their cousins. And unlike some of the other geo-political issues noted earlier, this problem can be blamed directly on the everyday people. In short, Qatar is a sickening nation whose defeat of the United States was rooted solely in the blindness of those who voted for it. One might imagine that the bid committee for Qatar did not show pictures of sex slaves in their final presentation to FIFA. Oh well, the people of America should boycott this event the old-fashioned way. We should refuse to send a team, refuse to air the event and refuse to spend our dollars on the sport in 2022. -------------- I did not know about this culture of marrying cousins, so I googled it a bit: ------------- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16490156 Consanguineous marriage in a newly developed country: the Qatari population. Bener A, Alali KA. Department of Epidemiology and Medical Statistics, Hamad General Hospital & Hamad Medical Corporation, Doha, State of Qatar. Abstract This study examines the frequency of consanguineous marriage and coefficient of inbreeding in the State of Qatar. The study was conducted in semi-urban areas of Doha between January and May 2004. A sample of 1515 married Qatari females aged 15 years and over participated. The degree of consanguinity between each female and her spouse, and degree of consanguinity between their parents were recorded. The rate of consanguinity in the present generation was high (54.0%) with a coefficient of inbreeding of 0.02706. The commonest type of consanguineous marriage was between first cousins (34.8%). Double first cousin marriages were common (3.1%) compared with other populations. The consanguinity rate in the State of Qatar has increased from 41.8% to 54.5% in one generation. ------------------ http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topi...=225456&version=1&template_id=36&parent_id=16 Deformities in newborns blamed on inbreeding LEADING maternity consultants blame inbreeding and chronic diabetes as the main causes for deformities among newborns in Qatar and the Arab world, says a report published in a local Arabic daily. Quoting Dr. Badruddin Ahmed, head of the HMC maternity and childbirth diseases department, the report says science and state-of-the-art facilities allow doctors to monitor the development of the foetus, especially through ultra sound imaging. Dr. Ahmed was addressing the press at the conclusion of a year-long post graduate level training programme organised by the HMC for 17 doctors, including three were from the United Arab Emirates specializing in maternity and childbirth diseases. Specialists from different countries, famed for their research and published works, came as guest speakers. The participants also travelled to attend international conferences on the subject as a part of the training programme. Senior consultant Dr Frank Kervank helped in organising the programme. -------------- Oh yes, most educated and cultured people in the world!!! Right! The hybris of Mathloom...
What do you call a culture where 54 % of marriages are marriages with relatives? Yes, it is obviously a provocative remark, and not to be taken literally at all, and I will edit it out now, but 1) it was in response to Mathloom's amazingly arrogant statement and 2) here is more about the "culture" in Qatar (and my guess is that Qatar is actually one of the "better" states in the region as far as that goes): Qatar 2022:Qatar Gets World Cup Despite Poor Human Rights Record http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/qat...despite-poor-human-rights-record-2734109.html
You would think someone who considers himself to be more advanced to be more tolerant. IT is better to learn from one another and move forward together rather than isolate from each other because of differences. Calling others names like "camel culture" and "backward" is not a very progressive attitude. Every community goes through troubles, at some point a group of people will be considered more advanced and then at other times it will be behind, everything is cyclical. Does not mean we should not integrate and learn from one another. Did y'all not learn aything from watching Avatar? :grin:
I'm not Qatari. Nor do I support their bid. Nor do I like their country. Why would this be arrogance? lol Their per capita GDP and unlimited support of education have seen all youth either study at the best universities abroad or at the branches of some of the best universities in the world within Qatar. They're young, loaded and motivated. They actually never have to worry about working therefore getting masters and Phd's are just a matter of "when will I feel like it?" Bleh. I'm not married enough to the idea to talk too much about it. If you're offended, oh well.
ATW, I think given your country's history, you best not act like being the most educated means being the most compliant with human rights. You completely either misread or twisted my post. I don't see the problem with excessive sexual behavior in public not being tolerated, or being a danger to others in public not being tolerated. Are you somehow supportive of people who are intoxicated and aggressive in public, to the point they are a danger? or are you saying that Qatar should tolerate people having an orgy in public? In any case, I'm just the messenger. If you want to impose your view of morality on Qatar just to make your world cup experience better, I'm afraid you will fail. You can just not go though, and then it won't be such a problem for you. Otherwise, you can accept the humongous compromise that's being offered. Instead of seeing this as a step forward for the region and possibly a good example, you continue to spew your hate. Also, if you want to know what I meant by colonialist, you are the perfect example. Qatar will host the world cup regardless of your conditions or superiority complex.
You are making up extreme examples on purpose - if it is "to the point that they are a danger", it is different, same goes for an "orgy". You never responded to the pictures of fans I posted: 1) Would you agree that as of right now, none of the behavior displayed would be tolerated in public in Qatar? 2) Would you agree that it is likely that similar scenes will occur if fans are allowed to roam freely and to behave similarly to past world cups? and 3) What do you think will Qatar's reaction then be?
What "compromise"? Football fans should not have to "compromise". If a country is not willing to let them behave like they did at past world cups (excesses of creating a danger or orgies in public (I am unaware of) excluded), then that country should not host the world cup. This is about football, not about finding a stage to promote a repressive ideology.
No idea, but I'm sure they have thought about this and discussed it with FIFA way before you have. My guess is that the atmosphere will be more family-friendly, and that's Qatar's choice. At the same time, I think there will be far more flexibility than you are expecting. No it won't be exactly like past World Cups. Also, there are people dressed like that outdoors all the time in Dubai and Qatar. Eric Badu on CNN, who is covering this, mentioned last night that you will be allowed to wear a bikini around. I tend to believe him. How does this impact Qatar's ability to host a succesful World Cup? Seems to me it only impacts Qatar's ability to meet your standards, if even that.
Your inability to understand that football belongs to the fans and that this is not "Qatar's choice" is fascinating. These are not my standards. These are the fans' standards, as evidenced in past world cups, which were fantastic celebrations of football. And no matter how corrupt FIFA is (and it is obvious that Qatar bribed officials), the world cup is the fans' event, and they make it what it is. So if Qatar "generously" allows women to wear a bikini around, then that means they are straying from their standards? Why?
Yes, well this is your view, not the view of FIFA exco. Maybe you should be complaining about them. You are being very narrow minded here. I would say that regional football fans (who will be the majority actually at the world cup) would like more security and more family-friendly environment. The compromise is allowing drinking in public and loosening restrictions on clothing and showing public affection.
What do you know about the FIFA? How do you know that they will not push for this in the years leading up to the event?
I don't. But I doubt FIFA's lawyers would allow them to be so intrusive to the sovereignty of Qatar after accepting the bid. They would certainly discuss this before accepting the bid.
I'm too tired to comment on the rest, but the idea of Qatar having to deal with Israel's team-there's like a 0.00001 chance of Israel ever qualifying if they stay in UEFA. When your best player is Yossi Benayoun and your best youth player is...I don't even know, how will that compare in 2022 to Nasri-Gourcuff-Benzema-Lloris-Ben Arfa-Sakho-Diarra, Khedira-Ozil-Neuer-Kroos-Marin-Castro-Muller-Boateng, Walcott-Wilshire-Hart-Gibbs-Richards-Lennon, Busquets-Pedro-Pique-Ramos-Fabregas-Javi Martinez-Silva and etc. etc. Twelve years is a long time-but I just can't see it happening.
