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[Football] FIFA World Cup 2010 South Africa

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by SwoLy-D, May 5, 2010.

  1. krnxsnoopy

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    The difference is that all these other sports have natural stoppages in the games. In soccer the clock never stops. This poses a big problem for adding instant replay.
     
  2. rhadamanthus

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    Why? Replay while the clock goes on. They already add time for a neverending plethora of ridiculous "injuries" - this would be the same principle.

    Or, alternatively, stop time. Tell me, how much time was wasted while Mexico's team argued against Argentina's first goal? Answer: Long enough for a quick replay.

    Whatever - I'm done debating this. Those arguing against replay don't really make sense.
     
  3. SwoLy-D

    SwoLy-D Member

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    :confused: If there is a score, the ball needs to restart from the middle.

    If your "replay while the clock goes on" is added, this rule will affect how the next attack by the scored-on team would start. No way a goal can just "be added" just because a ref messed up. It affects A LOT, not just "Oh, let's add one score because cameras say so!"

    Also, if there is an injury stoppage, the player with the injury is taken out of the field. It is not "the same principle." Don't compare the two. On one, there is a legitimate reason to stop the clock, on another, it's because something is "questionable." Don't question AUTHORITY on the field.
    That's because the main referee went to ask the linesman. If he didn't make the call initially, and neither did the linesman, he shouldn't have taken time for it or allow argument. It was the main referee's fault for taking this time and allowing the Mexicans to argue the call. It wasn't called. It was allowed. End of story. PLAY ON.
    What's not making sense? What DOESN'T make sense is the replay proponents' argument that "since major sports do it already"... but that's the only way...? FOOTBALL is pure: All you need is three HUMAN referees, a field, and two goals. We don't need electronic crap.
     
  4. rage

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    You do not understand. It's the implementation that is not so easy.

    If you allow play to continue while someone reviewing, what if some one scores another goal? What if someone gets a red card? When do you stop play to award the result of the review? What if it takes minutes before the ball becomes dead? Do you allow an attack to develop or do you stop it before someone takes a shot on goal?

    Even if none of that happens, teams change tactics depending on the scores. What if you need to have a review with only 2 minutes to play? What am I supposed to do?

    Give me a good solution.
     
  5. Jontro

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    The refs ruined the world cup for me (along with the trumpets and the crappy ball).

    Since the refs have and will always mess it up on the big stages, I think adding the technology is a no brainer. Maybe play the instant replay on the big screen so everyone can see, along with the refs. A lot quicker.

    I'm also not complaining just because it happened to the team I'm rooting for (which btw was S. Korean :( ). I just think it ruins the game when teams lose due to stupid ref decisions.

    I forgot what game it was yesterday, but there was a foul committed and the ref was nowhere near the action and I highly doubt he saw it, except for the player rolling on the ground 5 seconds after the incident. So the ref decided to skip over to the flopper and gave the other guy who barely touched him a yellow card. I'm sure he got his [false] info from the linesman. It was just too ridiculous to watch.

    I think this AND the constant flopping is the 2 most important problems FIFA needs to fix as soon as ASAP after the WC.
     
  6. geeimsobored

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    I'd say limit reviews to goals only. Reviewing flops and injuries would create the problems you are talking about. You can review goals while play is going on and award or take them away mid-game without stopping play. Also review can occur by a referee in a both to prevent stoppage of play.

    As for red and yellow cards I do think that they should institute retroactive removal of cards. There are some cards that should not be given out that affect a player's ability to play in the following game (i.e. Kaka) that should never have been handed out. Basically have some officials review all of the cards from that day and remove cards when its obvious that the call was wrong.
     
  7. rhadamanthus

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    If you don't like the idea of play continuing with the review ongoing, stop play. Otherwise you're left with Swoly's absolutely r****ded argument that unfair play is somehow part of the soccer mystique. That's idiotic.

    For the sake of argument though, let's run with my idea. For example, in the England situation, the goalie tosses the ball out and play commences. 10 seconds later the review calls down that it was indeed a goal. The scoreboard updates. Play continues. wooooo. If you're a purist who demands that goals be followed by kickoffs then presumably you're a purist about the frickin goal in the first place and you'd be fine with stopped play for a minute or two and the usual extension at the end of the half.

    If this is truly a concern (I don't think it is), either stop play or disallow reviews with x minutes to go in each half. (in the same vein, only review goals - see the 2nd link in my post with the article above)

    Many, many people smarter than me have. You're just not listening.
     
  8. SwoLy-D

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    ^ Again, those are not easily correctable. :eek: And, what if the stadium does NOT have a "big" screen (are you going to have limitations on how big or wide the screen should be? :confused: What are you going to do then?

    Stop trying to ruin the flow of the game. And, no, Gatorade and Bud-Light... we don't want more advertisements.

    Fixed. :eek:
     
  9. KingCheetah

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    Ok, sure thing Jontro.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    Just quit screwing the players and the fans and get the ****ING calls right.

    Who cares if they add an additional minute...wooopppeeeeeddeeee doooo !!

    DD
     
  11. DonnyMost

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    So don't stop the play/clock then, let them keep playing through the review.

    If it's a goal, add it in. If it wasn't, take it off.
     
  12. Lady_Di

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    Yeah, it's not like they are going to take forever to determine if it was a goal or not. The time is already wasted by flopping and faking injuries so why not??
     
  13. MadMax

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    seriously

    think the people of Ireland would really care if an extra minute or 2 were added to take a look at a replay that kept them from a World Cup appearance?
     
  14. SwoLy-D

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    The player who flops or fakes an injury gets a caution (yellow card), while any player who "gets injured" whether real or not--unless it is a goalkeeper--will have to leave the field until there is a whistle, leaving his team with 9 on the field. :eek: That's how they get penalized. No time is taken out "just because."
     
  15. Kam

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    Mexico got screwed! Mexico got screwed!
     
  16. SamFisher

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    That's utterly irrelevant to the point that play stoppages (and vey dubious ones at that) already occur. The fact that simulation penalties are pretty much never given (there IIRC has been maybe 1 or 2 in all 50+ games of WC play so far) makes it even more ridiculous of an argument on your part.
     
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    You know who got screwed just like Jenna Jameson? And myself?


    Mexico got screwed!

    CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR



    MAAAH.


    no replay. no replay. no replay, thats what she said, no replay, no replay, thats what she said, no replay.
     
  19. Stack24

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    Too much sugar today Kam?
     
  20. Kam

    Kam Member

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    Chocolate and Coca Cola. I need a helmet to walk outside today.



    Just sticking it to swoly for his no replay BS, and then watch it happen to Mexico.
     

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