[Flu Season] If you haven't taken a flu shot yet, take it now.

Lol, this guy.

Ingesting mercury is completely different than having it circulate in your blood. Therefore, eating fish has nothing to do with neurological effects. So saying that eating fish gives you high mercury levels compared to the flu shot is basically, just pointless, since ingesting is totally different.

Everything I stated is backed up, but I really appreciate your attempt to come in and act like you know it all.

 

Are you saying if you ingest mercury you won't get any neurological issues?

Backed up by who exactly? And you didn't address any of my other points? The science actually backs up immunizations.

 

There is a HUGE difference between ingesting mercury and having it injected. The fact that you are even bringing up this issue shows me that you are not well versed enough to even be debating me.

When you ingest mercury, the mercury travels through the liver first, before traveling through the rest of the body. In other words, the liver pretty much produces enzymes that allow the body to cope with the toxin.

On the other hand, when you have mercury injected into your blood, then it pretty much passes through the brain and heart unfiltered.

Of course science backs flu shots in defense of getting the flu (70% of the time). That's not what I am debating.

 

So ingestion wont cause any damage? Even over time as mercury builds up in fatty tissue? I understand what you're saying but the amount of mercury injected is not in enough quantity to produce adverse effects on average. There are immune cells that neutralize toxins in the blood stream. Your scary list of ingredients aren't so scary when you.understand the dose you are receiving.

What are you debating? The safety of the shot? It's safe for the general public which also is backed by science.

 

I am just recovering myself this past weekend i was feeling like $hit. I tried to get the shot at walmart just 2 days before i got sick, stupid nurse wasn't there. Then BOOM i get sick. Right now i feel good but my voice if half way gone still recovering. Should i still get the shot after i recover just in case, i think i am lol i usually get it every year first time i've been sick in a while.

 

Yes, ingestion can cause damage, but not nearly on the level of injection. And it's not even close. Pointless topic to talk about here.

How in the world would you know this? You talking about me spreading false information...this is the absolute most false thing stated in this thread because there isnt one person in the entire world that knows the absolute truth. There is no way of us determining whether or not flu shots have caused a high incidence of alzheimers, als, parkinsons, etc... There is absolutely no way to track that. HOWEVER, what we do know is that flu shots have caused severe issues in people. Given the fact that the onset of issues happens relatively quickly in some people, is it not just common sense to assume that the onset of symptoms can take many years in other people?

Everything I have said in this thread has had a factual component to it. For you to come raging in here and claiming I am giving out false information is irresponsible and ignorant on your part.

Is that why the government has established the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund? How about the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act? Do you realize that in the last 20-25 years, about 3 billion dollars worth of compensation has been paid out because of injuries sustained from vaccines? And this only includes those with immediate onset...how many people have that onset later in life? Zero people on this planet can even approximate. It can be 1 or it can be millions...fact of the matter is that neither one of us knows the answer. Science cant back that.

Last year, the vaccine was a "good" match...and they estimated a 62% effectiveness. Which means that 38% of the time, it wouldnt be an effective vaccine. 2 out of 5 people took the flu shot and it did nothing for them...what happens on a year when the match isnt good? Pretty scary.

Like Ive mentioned, people can choose whatever they want, I have no issues with either route. I do think it's absolutely terrible to give a flu shot to a child under the age of 5, as it's been shown to pretty much not help at all. I also think it can be dangerous to give it to the elderly, in most cases. If you are a regular, healthy adult, do as you will. However, ignoring the fact that there are legitimate concerns is incredibly naive.

You should look into it because it's clear to me that you're the kind of person that put his fingers in his ears, closes his eyes, and yells loudly to avoid an opinion other than the one you have. Look at everyone else in this thread that has posted...they have expressed their point of view without completely shutting out other possibilities that exist.

 

The flu shot wouldnt have worked that quickly...so even if you got the flu shot, you would have still gotten sick with the flu (if that's actually what you had).

Still not too late to get the flu shot though...just because you got sick doesnt mean you cant get the flu in a couple months.

 

rezdawg, I just thought of an interesting question.

As a dentist, you have to inject local anesthetic for various procedures, I would guess. If that's true, do you know categorically what's in each dose of those things? I would think it has some weird preservatives and unwelcome ingredients too, but I am *totally* ignorant about this.

And for all I know, you just give your patients a shot of whiskey and tell them to buck up. :-D

 

Any multidose vial will have a preservative.

 

Oral bioavability of injested Methylmercury is pretty high.

A quick Google indicates it can be as high as 97% in mice and people, meaning injecting 1 gram is functionally indestinguishable from injecting 97/100 of a gram.

http://books.google.com/books?id=yb...a=X&ei=AQlcVLr0B5KwyASzxoCwBQ&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAw

It would be much lower for inorganic mercury, but tuna eat methylmercury from agricultural runoff.

 

I was about to say this. Methylmercury is pretty difficult to excrete since its so lipid soluble.

Anyways, relating to the topic...got the shot (I am totally pro-vaccine but don't think I needed it) , have been feeling like absolute **** for the past 2 days. Dizzy, nauseous , and tired. Hope it subsides. No idea if interferons are still involved with killed vaccines.

 

There is a preservative called methylparaben... Which is found in fruits. It's fully excreted through urine. Other than that, the dosage is only lidocaine and epinephrine.

If I can't get a patient numb, a hammer and bottle of whiskey usually does the trick. :grin:

 

Not can, it will cause damage if you ingest a sufficient dose. It's not pointless because our bodies come into contact daily with various chemicals/toxins. You don't seem to understand that their are thresholds for doses or ignore that fact.

So then that negates both our arguments then? I'm confused.....

If we are still talking absolute truths then yes. If we are talking about making informed medical decisions then there is no credible information to suggest there is a link. Stop listening to Jenny McCarthy.

We've been giving flu shots for decades and we study their effects. Of course some people will react adversely, but give me hard numbers. What % of the population will have a severe reaction?

Nope, you are wrong. You are either twisting the science or ignoring it. Most flu shots now are preservative free, pre-filled doses.

The NVIC was started because:

Again, the % of people who have adverse reactions are small.

Ok? Why is it scary? It sucks science hasn't advanced enough for gene therapy but flu shots are better than nothing. Flu shots will still cause your body to produce the non-specific flu antigens. Flu shots, along with preventative meausres and a good diet are your best bet.

There are cocerns and side effects with any vaccine or medication or supplments.... So go on....?

No I work in healthcare and do a lot of work regarding vaccinations. I understand the risks, but they don't outweigh the benefits and its not close.

 

But but but there are legititmate conerns with whiskey and it's impact on human health.

Devil is in the dose eh?

 

Well you have to realize your body's immune response is fever and general body aches do to your body mounting an immune response. I felt bad for about a day then went on about my business.

 

Are you more at risk because you are around sick people all the time?? I've never gotten a flu shot in my life, get a cold about once every 3 years. Nothing severe.

 

In line with a previous post, you need to think about flu shots as being about more than just you. Doctors spend all day around people with compromised immune systems. Think of all the people a single doctor with a mild flu could kill under the right circumstances.

 

There is no correct answer...yet, you can't seem to grasp that.

 

I get what you're saying but I think you still have to look at the odds and the overall context. While yes there are risks associated with vaccination getting the flu is a known risk that kills tens of thousands a year. Also as Ottomaton noted this isn't just about you but about the overall population at large.

Regarding some of the issues that you bring up about Alzheimers and other potential diseases tied to vaccination this is an area where correlation might not equal causation. As with things like the rise in Autism there are many factors, including better reporting, that may contribute to those rises. In the case of Alzheimers we might be getting more cases simply because there is better reporting of cases and also people who may have died from other causes, such as the flu, are no living long enough to get Alzheimers.

The argument against vaccination strikes me as speculative while the dangers of getting the flu are a known risk.

 

Again I have very limited knowledge in this area but I would be very careful in equating the function of experimental cancer vaccines with the flu vaccine. While both work to stimulate T-Cell responses the target of the therapy is very different. In the case of the flu vaccine you are stimulating an immune response against a foreign invader. Something that is fairly well understood. In the case of cancer vaccine you are stimulating a response against cells of the own body.