I dont dispute the dominance of a Mixed Martial Wrestling guy 1v1 against anyone in an enclosed area with set rules and a referee.
Save the lecture DoD,, I know a fair amount about MMA and have been following it since the beginning. Fulton is actualy fairly well known in the MMA world, he's easily the most prolific fighter around and has the most wins. (he's also the Kevin Bacon of MMA - there's a fnny thread from Sherdog doing a "six degrees of Travis Fulton" thing from way back when. Anyway, I've seen him fight, he was sort of a gatekeeper type fighter - good enough to be in the big shows, but not good enough to stay there. In boxing, he's just terrible, completely out of his element. Why? Because you can't get sloppy in boxing like you can in MMA - the talent pool worldwide is larger, because the money is bigger, and its a much more refined discipline. Anyway, t he point I am making is that many MMA fighters have tried to make the transition to boxing due to the superior $$$ - and almost all of them end up getting whipped by journeymen club pros. You think Fulton is the only example? Like PBF says, Look at the sloppy ass roundhouse hooks that Chuck Liddell uses. He would likely get MURDERED in K-1 rules vs. a K-1 fighter with that style due to the gloves etc. And the guy who murdered him in K-1 would get murdered against any decent pro boxer.
Take a decent boxer and teach him how to sprawl - and the UFC is his. Chuck liddell (he pretends to have a muay thai background, but muay thai is more about kicks and clinching- which he rarely uses) just throws sloppy punches (hard) and has good takedown defense. Honestly he is the worst example in this debate.
I guess I'm not getting your point. Are you saying that MMA fighters make bad boxers? Ok. Well, they may make bad nuclear physicists and bricklayers, too. What does that prove? Fulton was a Golden Gloves champion wasn't he? Maybe he just sucks as a pro. I'm not saying an MMA fighter can go into a boxing ring and compete against boxers. I'm saying what Merryweather stated is asinine - put him in the ring with his gloves in a UFC match. He'd die if he went up against some of the best from Pride or UFC. In terms of being prolific, Fulton is a joke because he hasn't fought anybody worth talking about that hasn't beaten him. Jeremy Horn would be a better example because at least people can recognize some of his opponents.
Yeah, but then Inoki's hands were tied by the rules Ali set forth. Ali wouldn't allow Inoki to grapple - that was a rule/stipulation in the fight. Gee, I wonder why? Inoki would've killed him.
And what do you think would happen if a MMA guy went against a practioner of traditional Martial Arts who is allowed to strike the back of the MMA guys' neck or spine with his elbow as he's going for a takedown?
Since when did anybody start talking about the MMA guys being the best killers on the planet? The point of the thread isn't 'who's the best street fighter', its to point out the remarks to what PBF said, to which was, any boxer could walk into the octagon and take the best UFC guys out. I say Fedor chokes out Klitschko in a 3 minutes.
I don't know why you keep on setting up this difference. Most traditional martial arts are limited in the scope they cover so in an open ended fight if you are tied to a particular style say Judo or Taekwondo there are some serious limitations. Also where do you think a lot of the techniques used by MMA fighters come from? Most of them were developed from practicing traditional martial arts. Consider for instance that Gracie Jujitsu is a lineal descendent of Kano Jigoro (the founder of Judo) and is in practice is closer to the art that Kano developed. In regard to a practioner of traditional martial arts being able to break somebodies spine, neck or thumb stuff like that isn't easy to do in the first place. The idea of super killer techniques is very impractical as for one the human body is tougher than Jean Claude Van Damme opponents and those lethal techniques are difficult to employ and no one practices them at full speed against an opponent fighting back because they are lethal. Techniques like small joint manipulation are difficult to use and generally are taught not as sparring technique but as grip breaks or weapons disarming. That's why even though wrist locks are allowd in many Jujitsu competitions they are rarely used. In regard to boxing the same limitations as many traditional martial arts applies. I've worked with gold gloves boxers trying Judo and Jujitsu and those people don't come in and start dominating. If anything they end up getting thrown, choked and arm barred a lot because the boxing skills don't translate immediately to Judo. The same thing goes though for a Judoka trying boxing or either a person who has trained soley in striking or in grappling going into MMA. It doesn't matter if you know the secret double foot scorpion kick that won't do you any good if you get taken to the ground or if you know the lethal anaconda choke if you come in leading with your chin. Traditional martial arts if they are primarily focussed only on striking or grappling are limited in a completely open fight but at the same time though the dichotomy between traditional vs MMA is somewhat false since most of MMA comes from tradtional martial arts.
I'm not talking about super secret death touch or whatever My point is that like the other guy said, MMA's rules mostly favor the grappler. Take away those rules and let's see what happens. Do I think the MMA guy will win against a traditional martial arts master? NO, but I'm sure he'll make it interesting.
Dude, MMA uses traditional martial arts... maybe you're not getting it. lol. Judo, muay thai/kickboxing, karate, etc. are all used int MMA. They could use those strikes, too, if that match occurred. You're talking as if Mixed Martial Arts is not Martial Arts. It is... it just happens to use multiple forms to combat those who only know 1 form. When MMA first started it was full of a bunch 1 MA champions from around the world. They quickly found out they would get killed concentrating solely on 1 form. Hence they started focusing on the bits of every form to counter various attacks. MA evolved into MMA to a certain extent. The Gracies used to go around beating the crap out of "MA experts" for kicks.
Once again, then how are strikers like Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddel, etc. champions? Why are world champion kickboxers like Kit Cope destroyed by the better MMA fighters? There's an example of your "martial arts master" losing to good MMA fighters. Gold medal-winning judokas have been been torn up by MMA fighters in the past. Liddell avoids being taken down so he can strike. He avoids by being among the best at sprawling. Grapplers do not beat him. He just got through tearing up Sobral - a great submission/grappling fighter - for the 2nd time. He's a knockout artist. If you ask me, MMA is slowly starting to favor strikers or true hybrid fighters more than grapplers.
floyd is a dum ass if he thinks he can handle lidell. And you know what, lidell probably couldn't outbox most light heavies, but, ufc isn't boxing.
To this day, the greatest hustle ever. Miyagi just needed someone to help out around the house and that car he gave Daniel broke down.
Except that when UFC started they had very few rules and some MMA events still do. You can say that MMA rules favor grapplers but when they have few rules grapplers still do well provided they know how to avoid being knocked out.
