exactly! im sick of guys who watch mma calling traditional ma worthless, its not like mma is exactly practical on the streets. i wouldnt attempt a triangle choke on a sidewalk. i like mma too but bashing traditional ma, something that has been around for thousands of years, is r****ded. each has there own positives and negatives. i was at ufc 69 and loved watching Yushin Okami own Mike "Quick" Swick
Not really. Where do you think a lot of those guys learned their skills. I don't want to discount boxing but fighting under MMA rules I would tend to favor the MMA fighter. The boxer though has good shot if they can get a knockout blow before they close but once they close especially up against the walls and floor of the octagon there's not much chance for a boxer. One problem is a lot of MMA fighters haven't been taught to block properly and if they lead with their head to enter grappling they are at a huge disadvantage. OTOH if a fighter were taught to cover up properly they could back up the boxer against the cage. Also I wouldn't discount the difference gloves and taping makes. Its hard to deliver hard punches for a sustained period of time using light gloves on untapped hands. The punch technique is also slightly different and a boxer who hasn't adjusted might find it difficult to sustain a flurry.
Unless Mayweather learns how to sprawl, he would get owned in an MMA bout. Sure he's a great boxer, but can he defend against takedowns, submission moves, muay-thai clinches with knees to the head? Its very easy to grab and try to take someone down during the course of an mma fight. Even in boxing matches, a lot of times the two fighters grab at each other for some dirty boxing or to take a breather. However, if Mayweather ever learned a decent ground game and developed great takedown skills, he would be a monster in the mma.
The question is does any 154 pounder have floyd's punching power and hand speeed. My opinion, in the octagon, floyd gets his ass kicked.
Not on the ground. For those who think boxers have such a big advantage over MMA fighters there's a Kimo video floating around where Kimo gets beat by an MMA fighter. I don't know enough about Kimo to know what boxing training he has but the way he moves indicates boxing training.
Probably a lot more than occur in a magical world where your hands have a bunch of padding and wrist support and you are not allowed to grab someone.
If you try and grapple a boxer like Mayweather you're going to end up in a heap on the floor. If you use your legs, you're in good shape, though.
so if MA guys arent really the thing in MMA anymore how would bruce lee do in UFC??? wasnt he considered to always be the best back in the day?
All of you MMA nuthuggers should do this: look up Travis Fulton's MMA record (on the sherdog.com fight finder) look up Travis Fulton's boxing record (boxrec.com) I have no doubt that under Marquess of Queensbury rules PBF would KILL chuck liddell.
Here's my problem with that statement. These things are consider fouls in UFC. http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=LearnUFC.Rules 8. Small joint manipulation. 9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head. 10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow. 11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea. IMO they serverly limit "traditional" martial arts and favored the more grappling intense style that's predominant in UFC today. I don't watch UFC that much, but the fights I've seen seemed to be more about getting a low center of gravity. Too many times, when a guy goes for a takedown, I watched confusely as why the the guy he's trying to take down doesn't just attack him with some quick strikes to the the head. The rules stated above allows people to try and get close by diminishing number of ways someone using traditional martial arts can defend himself before it becomes a wrestling match.
Thank you. This is exactly the problem I have as well. The rules are designed for grappling, it practically begs for it. Strikers are severely limited. Tradtiional Martial Arts is all aobut hitting the weakpoints of the human body. groin strikes, throat strikes, BREAKING someone's thumb. Now you tell me in a street fight, whats the first move everyone goes for? Whats a MMA guy gonna do in that situation? Put a chokehold on the other guy's penis?
lol. The funny thing about this is that there are UFC guys that train forever to avoid being taken down and still get taken down. Suffice it to say that a boxer would have no advantage just by training not to get taken down... Oh yeah, and forget the defending himself when on the ground. BJJ guys try doing that for a living and still get beaten up by better BJJ guys. The fact is, once it gets to the ground, it's over - especially since Sherk is a wrestler.
What's silly about your statement is that you're acting like MMA guys don't know how to do those things. Many MMA guys are great MA's. If you say "allow it", then hell they'd use it. I mean seriously, there's a reason it's called "Mixed Martial Arts" - it's the use of a combination of styles : muy thai, boxing, wrestling, BJJ, etc. These guys are good martial artists. As a matter of fact, many of the pure martial artists who try to go against the best MMA fighters will probably get killed. If all you know is kickboxing, you will die against the best MMA fighter who knows how to counter everything you throw at him - just ask Kit Cope who was a hell of a kickboxer but has gotten destroyed in MMA (while testing positive for steroids. lol). Also, if it's geared towards grappling, why do so many strikers do so well? Anderson Silva, Gomi, Liddell, Rampage Jackson, etc, etc. are great MMA fighters and are great strikers. There are others that can go both to striking or grappling and do well. The fact is the best MMA fighters are the ones that can do well in defense and have varied expertise. If you're one-dimensinal, you won't survive... this is one reason why fighters of old like the Gracies, Tank Abbot, Ken Shamrock, etc. in their primes would probably get destroyed by today's fighters.
You may also want to look up a fighter that fights for some real MMA outfit, too... some of those organizations Fulton fights for sound like reject leagues. lol. If he's that great, let's start fighting in UFC, Pride, K1, etc. mmkay? He fought in the Iowa Challenge?? LOL. When I look at his fights, he lost to some of the better MMA fighters - Franklin, Sobral, Griffin, and Pete Williams back in the day.
Then after you do that, compare Jordan's basketball career to his baseball career. I guess baseball players are just superior athletes, right? They must be, since it was so easy for Jordan to dominate the weak NBA, but so hard for him to break into MLB. I mean, it's not like a person's particular skill set makes them better suited to one thing over another or anything. And I'm sure if you put Jeff Bagwell on the court, he'd be draining threes all day and dunking on these pansy-ass basketball players. Here's what happens: a boxer gets his ass handed to him in a UFC fight. Boxing: a sport where the competitors are protected from being grabbed. UFC: a competition where you try to grapple the other person. I wonder who's more prepared for that fight. And why are we even arguing about which rules the fight is going to be under? Mayweather said that if you "Put one of our guys in UFC...he'd be the champion." He's talking about boxers stepping into the UFC ring. It doesn't even matter if a UFC fighter could handle boxing, because we're fighting under UFC rules. And under UFC rules, a boxer gets taken down and has his ass handed to him. If boxers could survive in UFC, don't you think there would have been someone by now who developed a style centered completely around boxing and spent all day serving the other UFC chumps who use MMA? And don't give me that "Anyone who can box would choose boxing over UFC anyday", because Mayweather says that any boxer would beat any UFC fighter, but any boxer wouldn't beat Mayweather. If you're a decent boxer, but not championship material, do you stay in a boxing ring where you'll never be the big dog, or do you go over to the octagon where supposedly you'll eat everyone's lunch? But the UFC champs aren't boxers, even though there are a bunch of boxers who aren't champions and could at least use the money. Especially if it was such easy, guaranteed money as Mayweather promises. But it isn't, and Mayweather is wrong and talking out of his ass.
