But where will they play? the Mavs already have Dirk, Twan, Jamison, Nash, Finley AND Jason Kidd, Rashard Lewis, Alonzo Mourning...oh wait, they didn't get those last few did they? I hate losing sleep over this (I really don't lose much sleep), but I think that this is just Cuban (via the Media - puppet strings) driving the hype of his little fantasy basketball team, the Mavs. Much the same as will always happen when there is news to be had (I said Behad in a sentence). There may be a lot of talk about a Big-D T-Mac/Shaq attack, but no way do the Mavs land both of these guys, if either. It's just news, and it will die once T-Mac dawns the silver and red, reserving the numero uno to be hung from the rafters.
On Dallas radio this morning 1310 it was reported that Donnie Nelson said that no Maverick is untouchable and that includes Dirk. Ouch! Can we match an offer that would send Dirk to Orlando for McGrady? Mavs would then still have plenty of fire power to trade for Shaq!
well...if the mavs truely say dirk is untouchable, and tmac would like to play with shaq more than yao...and cuban is willing to pay the price...they could possibly get shaq / tmac...but they'd have to get shaq before tmac, cus tmac won't go to them unless they get shaq. he won't screw himself like that...but no, dirk is on another level from steve francis, and he's a monster.
Reporters always want to say that we can't trade Steve until after July 1st, but we can, depending on whether we use the trade exception to make it happen. Granted, you lose most of the TE and its value; but would Les use it to go so far above and beyond the salary cap? Or would we use the MLE on a player like Barry and then be that much further into luxury tax territory anyway? The luxury tax will seem paltry if we have T-Mac, as the Toyota Center will be filled. Still, most owners balk at adding on salary. We might just use the TE to get Steve now. Then again, we might have to wait. (sigh)
All they would do would sign the agreement, with the terms calling for it's completion on July 1st. Happens all the time. Evan
Dallas will do whatever it can to get them. Cuban is hungery for championship and he doesn't care about money. Nelson is never short of guts of trying different rosters. There is no reason he let this chance go.
Couple of thoughts here: 1. Doesn't matter if Cuban doesn't carry about money...the league does. There's a salary cap. If he's willing to gut his team to where it's Shaq and T-Mac and a team of scrubs...then I welcome it, because his team will be weaker, I think; 2. Cuban likes to make noise. This guy is associated with more trade rumors than any owner I can think of. 3. Cuban likes to play games...remember the whole, "Yao Ming is gonna suck" thing before the draft that year. 4. Things move towards simplicity...particularly complex business transactions. If Orlando feels like they can address their needs in a simpler deal...without waiting for Dallas to move parts X, Y and Z to make things happen...then the simpler deal will take place. That deal is with Houston or Indiana or Phoenix.
Gater, aelliot or any capologist? I need to get something straight here. Can the trade exception be combined with a player in a trade to match required salaries within 15%? Thanks, gunn
Cuban has plenty of high salery players that have value to make a deal work. example: sign and trade Steve Nash along with Antoine Walker could cover the salery for Shaq. Dirk straight up for McGrady is better than anything we can put together. He is also the most aggresive GM in the NBA. If anyone can pull it off its Cuban. He also wants a championship. McGrady and Shaq on the Mav's with Jamison, Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels looks pretty damn good.
My opinion of this is that Cuban sees that the Rockets are compiling the "kobe-shaq" combo for the next 10 yrs with T Mac-Yao and he is trying to make this as difficult as possible for us. He has been getting his ass handed to him for the last decade by those guys and he is cringing at the thought of having it happen again.
Just keep saying these things to your self. Maybe you will beleive them. If Mark Cuban wanted to get Shaq and TMac, CD will be his road kill just like last year when Joe Dumars plowed him on the Larry Brown hire. CD got lucky JVG didn't go to the Wizards because he was sweating it out over the long weekend when JVG was thinking it over. At least last year we had a backup plan. If we lose out on TMac and Shaq then they land in Dallas we should just park all championship talk until 6 or 7 years down the road.
if it were that easy, everyone would be doing that every offseason. i'm certainly not saying that it's impossible. i'm saying it's improbable. i'm saying that it's far more likely that T-Mac isn't playing with Shaq next season than the alternative, no matter what desires Cuban has. by the way...didn't the Pistons convince anyone that just grabbing T-Mac and Shaq doesn't equal championship??
Dallas doesn't lack fat contracts: I don't know if they can sign Nash and trade him out. The problem is how to satisfy both teams: Dirk is welcomed by both teams. If he is in the package to LA, LA would be glad to let Shaq go. Antawn Jamison, good player but overpayed. Michael Finley, overpayed downhill star. Antoine Walker, who lost his fame during last 2 years, maybe is hard to trade off but would function well along with Shaq and T-Mac concidering of his shooting, passing and dribbling skills. Marquis Daniels might be attractive to both teams. Nelson said everyone was tradable. It seems they are trying to make it happen.
MM, See this is were I think must be watch college sports or something because bring Shaq and TMac to Dallas is what he is all about. Doin the impossible. Lets look over the few deals he has been involved in. 1) He traded for Juan Howard and then traded him again. 2) 2 years ago everyone wanted Raef LaFrentz. Denver was making this play like they want to sign Raef to a long term deal. Blah Blah Blah. He got Raef for basically a first rounder. 3) He traded Nick Van Excel with his contract and antics for Antowoine Jamison. He has pulled some pretty nice rabbits out from the bag of tricks. IMO the value of Michael Finley will determine if Cuban can complete the trades because I think he will want to keep at least one of the his veteran players between Finley, Derk and Nash. IMO if he is okay keeping Finely then he has enough assets to make both sides happy. If he wants to keep Derk then either LA or Orlando would need to think that Finleys contract is worth it. I personally like Finley alot and would trade for him even with that contract but I don't think Orlando or LA would so it will be on Cuban and Nellie to figure it out.
the Mavericks will not get Shaq and McGrady. You can argue that Cuban is a risk taker who loves to make big deals but this just aint gonna happen. There are too many other factors that lead me to believe this is nothing more than a pipe dream.
thanks for the snide comment. again, i'll say improbable. i don't doubt that cuban might try. i don't doubt that cuban might work hard to make it happen. that doesn't mean it will. hell, that would end up being, what...a 7 player trade?? maybe 8? how do the dynamics work? who do you pursue first. again..complexity is a problem for that deal. not saying they don't have bright people who could work it out...i'm saying i think it is unlikely. particularly if the magic are anxious to make a deal sooner rather than later, as they claim to be.
