Yeah, and if they try to suspend the kid his parents might sue them because he has ADD or some other crap. But if you accidentally bring a pocketknife or some medication you get kicked out under the Zero Tolerance Rule. It's nuts.
Is that supposed to make you look like a tough guy? A little kid getting beaten up and this is your response. You know actually I would have agreed that it wasn't a very good fight if the entire thing wasn't just one kid going after another and the other trying to get away. That isn't a fight, it is a mugging. There is a big difference. And it is no surprise that these children haven't had the proper Jiu Jitsu training they need to kill each other. That is the point, these things aren't so bad when adults are involved because there is room for lawsuits, retailiation, all sorts of things. That was just a bully plain and simple getting caught on camera. Of course it happens every day, but I am just glad it got caught on camera because adults forget what it was like to deal with pieces of crap like that while trying to get an education and this video is a pretty stark reminder.
I graduated in '85. I'm an old fart.....I sat at one of those four person science class tables with a guy who shot his teacher over a grade. Obviously, that was before metal detectors.
I feel that the media and you are exaggerating the severity of the beating, which has resulted in more attention than this incident deserves. The victim was okay and was seen walking off of the bus in good condition. I was only being sarcastic in my comments to emphasize this point. And if the aggressor did have any formal training, self-control would have been one of the first lessons taught in most martial arts schools. And I do not agree with you that it's more okay for adults to engage in this type of aggressive behavior, as kids who are exposed to this kind of behavior will consciously or unconsciously imitate such behavior. Violence is not to be condoned. On the other hand, I do not believe that the aggressor acted without provocation. And just exactly what the victim did to provoke such a beating? I don't know and so I'd like to reserve judgment because of that. All I can say is that violence is wrong except in self-defense.
MY physics teacher/ AP broke his foot trying to stop a fight between two kids. Funny thing is that now everytime there is a fight he walks the other way.
On one hand you say violence is not to be condoned. On the other you say that this violence might have been justified. That is, as we say in Espana - "El r****do"! Like I said before, maybe if the kid boinked his mom or sister, then he deserved it. Otherwise I don't think throwing a football or whatever is grounds for that. The victim was okay? We don't know that yet. Adults have more of a choice about where they go and who they have to see. This kid might have to see the other kid, who just attacked him, every week day for the rest of the year. I feel badly for children getting picked on. Is this me blowing things out of proportion? Is it natural for children to beat the hell out of each other? Yes I know it has been happening since the dawn of time, I was in school once. But that doesn't mean that I should approachi it with an air of acceptance.
Jessh christ. I remember fights like those were almost daily while I was in High School. And these fights would start on the bus, and end up outside of the bus. The bus driver would just stop and watch the action even back in my day. And to the person that stated "noone gets attacked like that without doing anything?" Many fights would start out through instingation of others. "Kid A says your momma is a w****", even though Kid A said nothing. Kid B gets up and says "you what did you say about my mom?" And from there it comes a matter of ego and the fights would start.
LeGrouper, before you call anybody El r****do, please read people's posts carefully. I never said that violence is justified. I said that neither you nor I know the whole story. Don't judge others unless you know the whole story. Who the hell are you to judge somebody you don't know? You can't assume that the aggressor here represents every mean bully who ever existed, and that the victim represents every innocent little boy in history. Things can be, and often are, more complicated than that. Please have civil discussions and don't toss out insults like a kid yourself.
I didn't call you El r****do, I was demeaning your hypocrisy. Here are two word for word quotes from your post: "Violence is not to be condoned" "On the other hand, I do not believe that the aggressor acted without provocation." If he was responding to prococation, I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that he may have overreacted... just maybe.... Kind of like you are overreacting to my obvious (however poor) attempt at humor...
Looks like a regular fight to me. I don't condone violence, but I don't see what makes this fight so much worse then any other fight I've ever witnessed or actually been apart of. Rule of thumb is, once you get the guy down, keep him pinned down and don't stop punching til he gives up. That's all it looked like that one kid did to me. If that fight was really grounds for attempting to permanently damage or kill the other student, the kid could of kept a knife ready to use, or worse yet, a gun. The ass kicking that guy laid had no intention of taking out his life, or disfiguring him.
Whoa people, obviously this wasn't the fight of the century. It really wasn't a fight, it was a jumping. But the fact that it was on camera allows others to relive it and more importantly is going to get the jumper in a crap load of trouble. I think it is well known to all that there are worse fights that go on between people every second somewhere in the world. Lord knows I have been jumped worse than that. But it is a little kid getting beat up on camera. It just kind of makes you sad at the depravity of some people.
I am happy to see that you are finally starting to comprehend my point of view. There's no hyprocrisy in my position. What the aggressor did was wrong. But you cannot judge somebody without the full set of evidence. I'd say that you'd make a terrible judge at that, since your opinion is so prejudiced against the aggressor. What if the victim had harrassed the aggressor endlessly for 3 months before this? What if he really did "boinked" his sister or mother, as you had suggested? What if the aggressor comes from an abusive family with endless fighting? Everything has to be taken into account before you can judge, and that's why only God can be the ultimate judge. And please work on that sense of humor of yours, LeGrouper. Since you're comparing me to the "bully" in "overreacting", I'll tell you that I'd be glad to shake up your sense of humor a bit if you'd like.
Uhhh... yeah.... go for it champ. Shake me up. Good luck tough guy. So you think the smaller kid bullied the bigger kid for three months before this and now all of a sudden he decided to punch him in the face as he exits the bus. Or maybe the eleven year old boinked the other kids mom.... right.... I also like the line: "prejudiced against the aggressor" Yes I must admit that if I were to walk through the park and see a child getting beaten up by a much bigger child that I might tend to have a bit of prejudice againt the aggressor. I guess that is just one of my flaws....
Just because someone's small doesn't mean they can't **** with a larger person. I'd be willing to wager that it's pretty common with all the penalties that getting into fights nowadays. There's only so many times one can turn the other cheek. There's not enough info to really make a judgement either way, as kryten said.
True enough, the kid might have done something to provoke the bigger dude. But I think the initial punch to the face should have been enough of a response..... Lordie....
I think you may be just overreacting a little, LeGrouper, and not reading my post carefully enough, once again. I was obviously making an attempt at humor and never said I'm offering to shake you up, but only your sense of humor. Thanks for wishing me luck anyways. You really seem to be a bit too closed-minded to see the point that I'm trying to convey to you, so I won't bother trying any more. I'll just say that just because a bigger guy is physically hurting a smaller guy, that doesn't mean that the smaller guy didn't badly hurt the bigger guy in some other way before. You seem to be of the opinion that somebody who's been bullied has never and will never do any wrong. I'm so sorry if you've ever been the victim of bullying in the past, but that still doesn't mean that all bullies are pure evil and all those who are bullied are angels. I know that you are a good person, thought, and speak from your heart, so why don't we just leave it at that, okay?
Believe me I am open minded and like to explore various possibilities as to the reasons things happen. But I am just having a little trouble seeing as how ANYTHING this kid could have done would have warranted THAT response. To explore your theory, that this smaller guy must have grieveously hurt the bigger guy at some previous point I am a little perplexed as to why it took the bigger guy so long to retaliate against this opponent he so easily demolished. I agree there are some little guys who can really hurt bigger guys. This sixty pound wonder didn't strike me as that type. I get the fact that he MUST HAVE done something to piss this guy off. But my point is, the point that you seem so close minded against, is that it would have to fall into a very selection of possibilites for it to even remotely justify such a beating. The mathematical probability of the little dude having raped someone in the bigger guy's family, or maybe pissed in the bigger guy's mouth while he was sleeping in third period is so small that I think it is understandable to be a little predjudiced against the aggressor. Look, if I was a judge overseeing this trial, I would obviously need to know what brought about this beating before ruling, but I ain't the judge and I am free to have my own opinion, and my opinion is that a smaller child was beaten by a larger child for what in all likelyhood was an offense that did not require a beating.
Pole - Was that coach Perridon (sp) that was shot? I didn't know about any shootings at the time, but I remember that Coach Perridon was shot at sometime.
