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Florida GOP Wants To Take On ‘Cancel Culture’ By Secretly Recording Professors

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  1. Andre0087

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    Florida Republicans have passed a controversial bill that claims to protect ideological freedom in the state’s public colleges and universities.

    House Bill 233, which now heads to Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) for consideration, would require schools to survey the personal political views of faculty and students on their campuses and produce an annual report analyzing “the extent to which competing ideas and perspectives are presented.”

    If the surveys describe an academic environment lacking in what the bill describes as “viewpoint diversity,” the state university system’s Board of Governors and the State Board of Education ― both of which are controlled by political appointees ― could remedy the situation by forcing institutions to “adopt codes of conduct.”


    Additionally, the legislation would permit students to secretly record professors for the purpose of reporting them, should they be under the impression their right to free speech is being violated.

    Only one Republican lawmaker voted against the bill in the state Senate, where it passed 23-15 on Wednesday. Lawmakers in the state House passed the bill by a vote of 77-42 last month.

    Barney Bishop, a lobbyist who argued in favor of the bill, told the Miami Herald he believes the “cards are stacked” against conservative viewpoints in higher education and he hopes HB 233 can tilt the system away from “liberal ideology and also secularism.”


    Bishop, who refused to name his clients, added that he hopes the effort will expand to K-12 education as well.


    Rather than promote and protect free thought, opponents fear the bill would do the opposite and have a chilling effect on academic freedom.

    Cathy Boehme, a researcher with the Florida Education Association, which opposes the bill, told the Herald the legislation opens the door to political interference in what should be an apolitical process.

    “I worry that this bill will force a fearful self-consciousness that is not as much about learning and debate as about appearances and playing into an outside audience,” she said.

    State Rep. Geraldine Thompson (D), a retired college administrator, worried the survey results could be used to justify mandatory curricula ― effectively stifling free thought instead of protecting it.

    “This survey will give someone a basis to say we need to be focusing on these ideas, these viewpoints more so than others,” she said during a House floor session last month.

    Thompson noted the bill could also limit college administrators’ ability to respond to disruptive events on campus. If the Ku Klux Klan decided to march through one of Florida’s historically Black college and universities, for instance, HB 233 might limit how the college could legally respond.

    Florida’s legislation is one of roughly a dozen similar bills being considered in other states, according to a postsecondary education bill tracking database maintained by the National Conference of State Legislatures.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/florida-house-bill-233-education-diversity_n_606e19b6c5b6034a70842e4b

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    Depressing, but I wouldn't be surprised if the shoe was on the other foot. It could easily be argued that these professors have an undue level of Power and their "inherent biases" can cause "hostile environments" for students of oppressed classes or faiths.

    Ofc this is next level snitchery, but sadly I don't think we can escape the pull of using readily available tech (mobile devices) to "watch and monitor" each other.

    We don't trust each other much anymore nor have enough courage/faith that face-to-face conversations can resolve well for both parties.
     
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    My god!

    Who thinks of this stuff and why do they think this is politically advantages.

    I can see this stuff backfiring on Republicans spectacularly.
     
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    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    I heard about this the other day and I find the argument coming out of the FL legislature concerning and it's worrisome but want to know more.

    The reasoning behind this legislation is troubling that the state needs to step into ideologically police universities. I get that universities trend liberal but from what I've seen is that there still are conservatives and certainly many conservative student groups. Speakers like Ben Shapiro get big turnouts and the popularity of Jordan Peterson on university campuses is due to his championing traditional gender roles.

    For the bill itself just surveying students and faculty on their ideological views might not be bad if the data is kept anonymous. It sounds bad having students secretly record professors' classes but at a public university what's taught shouldn't be secret. The most concerning part is "forcing schools to adopt codes of conduct." Political partisans are about the last people who should be writing codes of conduct for universities.
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    "those who lack arguments find it more and more necessary to resort to pressure and even force of all kinds (social, economic, physical)"

    I've worked my whole career within a fairly left-leaning university, one that sometimes drives me a little crazy, but...

    (1) I've never met academics who "lack arguments." They live for arguments and have 18 bullet points for anything you could possibly want to talk about. LOL.

    (2) So these mythical people who "lack arguments" resort to physical force against their colleagues? Social, sure. Economic, maybe a little... popularity can sadly, in some cases, influence tenure decisions. But physical? Did someone throw a chair at her in a faculty meeting after she quoted Hannity or something?
     
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    Just another example of cancel culture and how snowflaky the modern marxist Libertarians are.
     
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    It’s like some ideologue with hurt feelings kicked an ant bed, and a host of little screaming Joe McCarthy’s came pouring out, intent creating mischief and misery.
     
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    They shouldn't be intimidated if they aren't doing anything wrong and acting professional with their students. Many of them are recorded by students already who don't want to miss notes.
     
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    Another example of Republicans using Government to attack free speech that they don't like.
     
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    It's funny. In my experience in some gen ed political science and philosophy courses at a very liberal university in Massachusetts, every lecture and discussion group heavily encouraged debate and opposing views.

    This narrative by the right is obviously spammed to yokels who don't know better.

    The reason why conservative parents are afraid of higher education is that for their kids, college is the first time they experience differing views and different cultures and they are afraid of that. That is the core crux of the inherent hatred of higher education by conservatives. They lose their ideolgical stranglehold on their children.
     
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    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    50 points for including so many buzzwords.
     
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    They shouldn't feel [spied on] if they aren't doing anything wrong and [not a terrorist] with [Al Qaeda]. Many of them are [surveilled] by [government] already [when they fly on an airplane].

    Who is the civil libertarian now?
     
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    Cultural Marxist Libertarians are ruining America.
     
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    The founding charter of just about every other college explicitly states they were built for the education of white, Christian men, somehow having that and an entire economy of superfluous government and corporate desk jobs for the last century-and-a-quarter isn't enough. These exact same peoples' parents and grandparents were flinging battery acid in black girls' eyes for wanting to go the same high school.
     
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    I would say they are trying hard to advocate for big government over reach. Under the modern Republican party you get:

    -the Patriot Act where Big Brother get's to survey you to make sure you aren't a "terrorist"
    -College professors spied on
    -Private property seized to build monuments to our supreme leader (border wall)
    -Increase in the largest socialized workforce in the world that puts it workers in harms way (military)
    -Loss of civilian rights to vote

    Sounds like the Republican party is the party of Socialist overreach and fascist authoritarianism.
     
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    The future of free public education.

    Don't give up that 529 plan just yet. There will be a premium for an education that does just that.... teach your kids something useful.
     
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    I can't keep up with her thought process here is she say liberals are radical but she still has started leaning left?

    Or is she a person who only thinks they are moderate and if you don't agree with them you are a radical liberal?
     

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