uhhh, bull****. i've watched shane take a charge right in the chest from yao ming running full speed on a fastbreak in the last olympics. that guy takes his charges like a man and is the last guy who should be accused of flopping. actually, you're just wrong. every time you fall down it isn't a flop. flopping is acting like you've been shot when you've barely been grazed. battier and hayes don't do that. the only guy who really flopped on the rockets was that joaquin hawkins guy. even when he got the call it annoyed me.
Shane and Chuck do not flop! Even when they get to the spot late and are called for a blocking foul, they are legitimately being knocked down by the offensive player. This is different from a Manu flop where the impact (if any) is exaggerated to an extreme. You'd think someone had shot him in the chest with a high-caliber rifle. I believe it is the exaggeration (or impersonation) of impact that they would crack down on. I also hope they consider calling flops on offense.
If NBA refs would just attempt to call the game the way the rule book is written, this rule wouldn't be needed.
while i like the thought of this rule, it will be hard to implement. the more chances we give refs to make judgment calls, the more missed calls there will be. just like they miss block/charges, they're going to miss flops/non-flops and piss people off, especially if it's a technical that is called. and man will it be bad if they do it at a crucial moment. but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try it. maybe, if nothing else, it will make the refs feel more comfortable not calling a charge just because someone flails backward b/c they'll feel they have a little flop protection now. and maybe guys will be scared enough by the new rule that they'll just stop flopping nearly as much so we won't have to make the calls.
It would be more appropiately titled the Jazz Rule. The Utah Jazz players flop so much, they flop the wrong direction sometimes on a crossover. In terms of offense, Dwayne Wade is a big time flopper when he jumps and falls down before contact is initiated.
I actually don't think Ginobili flops as much as people think. What he simply does is stay light on his feet - basically, he doesn't really try to maintain a lot of balance. The benefit is that he's able to make some of those seemingly bizarre, off-balance plays. On the other hand, any contact will result in him falling over. He probably does it because he gets a lot of calls that way. There's nothing in the NBA that says you have to try to resist falling and he basically takes advantage of that. Staying upright just doesn't seem to be a priority to him as it would be to most people. He also gets really close to the player he's guarding which results in more contact than normal. Combined with the above, this makes him fall over even more. Someone like Divac, I think, was more the "true" flopper that intentionally would fall over to get opponent fouls called, and I think he's even admitted it.
I wonder what kind of jesture the refs will give when the make the call. And yeh, after watchin the denver game on last saturday, Iverson's FTAs will go down.
Even if this is true, he's still getting an unfair advantage by getting calls on contact that wouldn't be called on someone who didn't fall every time they were touched. By falling down everytime he's breathed on, he forces the refs to make a call.
Well, yes and no. The refs could just let him fall over and ignore him (that's what they should do, in my opinion - kind of like incidental contact in the NFL). And while it's unfair in the sense that other players don't do it, its different than trying to fall over specifically to get calls. Being light on his feet is just part of how he plays and what makes him good at the things he's good at. I'm not saying he should get the benefit of fouls. Just that they should simply be no calls. Starting to call technicals on this is just a bad idea. It's all an instantaneous judgment call. The more judgment calls you give to a ref, the more they are going to get wrong, and the more people will be annoyed. It's bad enough if they call a foul the wrong way, but adding a tech to it in a case where the charge was legit makes even more of a mess. I just can't see how the implementation of this would work well.
Dirk's game will be severely impaired if a rule preventing flopping is instituted. I imagine his trips to the free throw line would be cut in half.
Can't do anything about it during the game...too difficult to tell in real-time. Let the ref's decide after the game, and punish in the form of fines and suspensions(Continued flopping).
If you're not certain it's a foul, just let it go. The flopping will lessen without technicals being given. Players should try to stay on their feet and not fall like 100lb women.
he doesn't flop as much as he used to, but falling down is not the problem. it's the snapping the neck and head back thing that is flopping to me, and he certainly does that. that has nothing to do with being light on your feet, it's just a conscious decision most floppers make and that needs to be stopped.
I agree, the problem, as stated in another thread, is that there are almost no non-call on plays where there is contact around the basket(excluding when Yao Ming is involved). Refs need to get it through their head that just because there's some contact that doesn't mean make a call. If such a rule was made, I'd like for the NBA to have a bench offical who could quickly review the play to determine if it was a flop, otherwise you'd get even more reason to parade the "stars" to the free throw line.
I don't know where I heard it, I think it was on that "you make the call" show. But I think they said that the thing that decides an offensive is if the player falls down or not. To me that’s the stupidest rule I ever heard all that does is encourage flooping. These guys are well conditioned athletes you cant tell me that they can’t stay on there feet any better then that.
NO WAY! Maybe we should categorize flops.. category flop A, the worst, just like AI did last time, should be penalized with one game suspension for every occurrence.
It's not the defensive flopping that bothers me. The OFFENSIVE flopping really gets my blood boiling. Dirk flailing and pretending he breaks his ankles everytime he shoots is annoying. DWade and AI obviously jumping into a defender (without even trying for a shot) for the sole reason of creating contact is dumb.
