Yup, we Europeans flop all the time. Public transport in Europe is like a flopping parade. And when we don't flop, we take cheap shots. I'm flopping right now, too.
Let's face it David Stern has transformed the NBA into Entertainment T.V. High scoring affairs that dazzle out amazement. Create water cooler talk regarding offensive stats. The day's of tough nosed basketball and solid fouls are a thing of yesteryear. With fantasy basketball, offensive stat junkies, marketing deals for the 20 point scorers, etc. The NBA has made it no secret it wants games with a lot of scoring. The more the better. I think the NBA would marvel at 120 to 122 points per game, if they were a thing of every day!!! I know there would be a breaking point, but I know that 108 to 105 isn't it yet!!!! The NBA still wants more scoring. How many people get excited or glued to the T.V. with a 69 - 72 game outcome? Maybe the purist. It just so happened to be that certain coaches like Aleman, Popovich, Jerry Sloan, and a few others figured out what the NBA is all about. It's about scoring. The NBA has had this attitude of "No Thugs allowed or wanted attitude". Essentially, those committing fouls are the perpetrators "the bullies", beating up on flopper, a.k.a "The Victims". Leave it to the Ref to come to the aid of the innocent.
Now why get mad at the smart people who figured it all out? Write your NBA commissioner and tell him you want "man-up" basketball. Or you will be relegated to going to the local park in the "Hood" to watch your basketball, instead of watching those pansy's who play in the NBA. Unfortunately, the NBA Circus is expanding more and more. I am 100% in favor of reviewing tape and assigning fines, penalties, and suspensions for perennial perpetrators of Flopping. But, do y'all think that the smart people in the NBA could not have figured this out by now? THEY DON'T WANT FLOPPING TO STOP!!!! Daryl Morey is a legitimate fricken Genius. You don't get into MIT by acting smart, you got to be smart. Flopping is a part of the game.
I always knew the Utah Jazz hatred coming from this site was fake; the responses to this OP do more to confirm that. Fans will rationalize anything when it's convenient.
What the hell are you talking about, dude? Popovich and Sloan pride themselves on their amazing (and oftentimes dirty) defensive schemes.
We're talking about flopping here. Because year in and year out they have the best floppers in the NBA. They have great actor. And when they commit fouls (with their dirty defensive schemes as you say), they mask it very well from the refs.
Outright flopping is disdainful, but I can understand why players exaggerate contact to "sell the call." It's too common for the refs to miss or ignore them when they're less eye-catching. There's a lot of subjectivity in what the NBA refs call fouls during a game, but that's not the only problem. The bigger problem seems to be that everyone - teams, fans, broadcasters - accepts it as part of the game. I love to watch b-ball, but I can't think of any other sport where refs can have so much influence over a game, or give "superstar calls" and "makeup calls" on a regular basis.
I cannot stand flopping, it takes so much away from the game. But as long as the refs call it, it is in our teams best interest to have guys like Kmart, Scola and even Lowry who get those calls.
Why nobody calls Kobe a flopper, when he does that a lot, like Kevin Martin, he just swing his arms, and he gets a call, always, even in the 4th quarter. If you want to stop the flopping, then you need to stop the superstar call, why in a dubtious call, they always call in favor of the biggest superstar??
The worst affect of the flopping is player frustration in not getting calls for it. Its wanting referee whistles to put them in the game, so you can assume the opposite that lack of whistles can put them OUT their game. Though that affect is very small and too infrequent, and can be overcome easily with focused play. Really if the refs are going to give calls away freely, advantageous to try to get them. The worst issue of this team remains its most efficient volume scorer not having any defense, rebounding, passing, playmaking, or late game scoring. And in some seasons he doesn't have full health. And moving down from there
Because Kobe does it infrequently, whereas Martin does it all game long. It is also why Kobe gets those calls late and Martin does not...because the refs have grown weary of Martin doing it by the 4th quarter. DD
Since Kobe is more efficient than Martin at flopping he shouldn't be burnt. Martin on the other hell should be burnt or - a new idea - keelhaul'd. HARR! Seriously, you are pathetic.
Kobe tries to score, Kevin Martin tries to draw the foul...... Such class, do I even know you? LOL..honestly....I get new haters by the day.....it is like.....Pile on central.....man.... DD
I don't have to know you to form an opinion about your thought processes. You give me an amply large sample to do so. And this has nothing to do with YOU knowing me anyway. Your motives are strikingly childish and obvious. Hitting on Lowry and Martin and elevating your criticism to a large scale phenomenon and then criticize the phenomenon from a moral standpoint and sticking that criticism on the players mentioned is just crystal clear to anyone over the tender age of 10. Well, it may seem quite innocent if one is not familiar here, but you do it about twice to 5 times a month. Believe me, I find it pathetic. Put it simply: you dislike Lowry and Martin because they are stealing the spotlight from your beloved Brooks and that is all. About Kobe: he flops just about all the time. But since you don't need him to do so (or he shouldn't do so to validate your point), you bend the truth and that is it. You are stating facts that are simply not true to validate your standpoint. About the whole flopping case. It is totally irrelevant and is a made-up drama. People always adapt to the environment. It is true that Martin wouldn't be so efficient in the 90's game, but we could say that Rodman wouldn't be worth a penny with todays technical rules and soft rules. Back to the point: Kobe gets calls in the fourth because a) he is kobe b) he is on a team called Los Angeles Lakers. The refs stop to blow the whistle for non-superstars because that's how it works. It's basically unwritten policy, not Lowry or Martin making them tired of blowing the whistle. It's not so tiring you know.
When the central point of your thought process is so far off, it makes the rest of your discussion worthless. I like both Kmart and Lowry, I HATE flopping. I also dislike how some people are unable to dissassociate other discussions and think they are relevent or have a meaning or bearing on others, that is pretty weak. All arguments are not tied together, this is 100% about flopping as an offensive strategy, rather than trying to simply score the ball through the contact. I hate it....it is wussy basketball....can't stand to watch guys flailing around begging for the refs to bail them out..... If it was every now and again, it would not be that big of an issue but our entire team is now trying desperately to get a call rather than focus on their task, which is scoring the ball. And, I am sorry that you can not distinguish the differences of subtelties of seperate arguments, it probably has a lot to do with why you were banned in the first place. DD
So your opinion has changed from what, last week? Or Kevin Martin is not fools' gold? It is simple as that: what you said ten minutes ago has nothing to do with what you say now. You feel unconstrained. I would label it as lying, but it is not, since children do not lie, they just bend the truth to comfort them.
