FIZER....could he be a key in the rumored Drew trade deal.

Damn right it's crazy.

First of all, judging from the way you worded this, it seems that you think that the Bulls will make Drew their #1 PG of the future. I don't think this is the case.

Secondly, Krause is not that stupid. I think you are being a bit overanalytical. It's nice to dream ain't it Whether Drew will start or not seems irrelevant on whether Fizer is included in any trade scenario. Plus the only reason Drew might start is if Chicago's rookie PGs (particularly Crawford) aren't yet ready to assume the starting role yet...they need experience and maturity as NBA players and that will take time. The article reiterates this:

So if Drew goes to Chicago, IMO it would be to simply solidify the PG spot until Crawford is ready to bust out. Plus the Bulls could use a little more perimeter shooting, especially if they don't get Glen Rice. Do you really think that would be enough for Krause to include Fizer in any deal involving Drew? I don't think so; it would take more than that to pry Fizer away from Chicago.

Speaking of Fizer and your proposed Fizer for Drew straight-up trade....

Assume that the trade "somehow" occurs.

Well that leads to another problem that needs to be addressed: a potential logjam at SF/PF. The Rockets already have Maurice Taylor, Kenny Thomas, and Carlos Rogers at PF, as well as Walt Williams and Dan Langhi at SF. Fizer is good enough to command a significant chunk of playing time IMO, preferably at PF. Likewise for Taylor. If you can figure out a way to distribute the minutes among all the above players, including Fizer, so that all will be satisfied, then I would be pretty impressed. But what I'm getting at is that one, possibly two, of the above players may have to be moved if your Fizer/Drew trade proposal "some kind of way" occurs.

I think Clutch nailed it. A future second-round pick (future first rounder would be better, but I kinda doubt that'll happen) in exchange for Drew seems plausible.

And DaDakota, I really, really like Fizer's game and attitude, but I'd wait until he gets his feet wet in some NBA games before trading almost anybody for him.

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Chicago gets:
Bryce Drew, $1,182,600
Carlos Rogers, $2,200,000
Kenny Thomas, $885,120
Walt Williams, $4,250,000
TOTAL: $8,517,720

Houston gets:
Ron Artest, $1,160,760
Corey Benjamin, $744,480
Marcus Fizer, $1,708,000
Hersey Hawkins, $4,763,923
TOTAL: $8,377,163

Due to houston being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. houston had to be within 15% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining agreement.


I checked this hypothetical trade at that awesome RealGM site LilFrancis posted in this board.

Will be back soon with more hypothetical trades .

[This message has been edited by Det The Threat (edited September 14, 2000).]

 

Isn't Corey Benjamin that "sheep" guy on the BBS?


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While I think you have about the most sane comment in the thread, that's just a shame that Drew couldn't be packaged in a bigger deal for something better. We gave up a decent 1st rounder for him, after all.

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Thanos,

How can I say Fizer is better then Mo Taylor?

Easy, I have watched them both play extensively.

Yes, you have a point about NBA talent, but Fizer is a hoss, he plays with Fire, passion, and is THE MAN !!!

Taylor has NEVER shown the passion for the game that Fizer has, mark my words, FIzer is the real deal, and MO is a nice player.

DaDakota

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Are you guys NUTTY or what? A probable star for your third string PG? Think about it. Krause is a lot of things...but stupid isn't one of them.

Keep an eye on the Bulls this year...they could be interesting...especially if they sign Rice and he still has some of his old touch left. Brand commands a double team when he gets the ball in the post---and he's going to be kicking it out to 4 jump shooters---Mercer, Rice, Miller, and Drew. And then Fizer and Crawford and Artest come off the bench. Not a playoff team, but nothing close to last years team either.



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A future, or one of the three we just made? How about Voskuhl? He could replace the dream after he retires

We're rich in PG's...but I guess you don't need that. The Bulls are high on Guyton, and El-Amin showed something in the summer leagues.


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The very obvious is Drew does NOT equal Fizer in a straight up trade.

LESS obvious is that if the Bulls are able to sign Joe Smith AND Glen Rice, then Marcus Fizer becomes very expendable (IMHO).

Perhaps the Bulls are thinking the Rocks are Lottery bound and the Rocks 1st rounder in next years deep draft would be better than Fizer. In which case, Bryce and a 2001 1st might equal Fizer.

I say all this cautiously as I am NOT a big Fizer fan.



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gettinbranded,

Rice and Mercer on the floor together? Heck, those two on the same team would already be pushing the limits.

Mango

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True...but if we can make it work...

I think Mercer will be chill. I hope. I think. I hope.



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Won't happen. Only one of the two will get the remainder of the moolah. I hope it's rice. I don't understand a push for smith when we already have two big guys who can get the work done.

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g-branded,

1) So if you sign Rice, does Fizer backup Brand?

2) Bryce for your 1st rounder 2001 -top 5 protected? (Rocks will not let him go for a 2nd rounder - he's worth more as an insurance policy and has played real well in his starts).

3) Your opinion of the this Bulls starting lineup: Drew, Mercer, Rice, Brand, Miller.

4) Second unit: Crawford, Artest, Fizer, Ruffin, Tarlac?


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Is it Preseason yet??!!

[This message has been edited by GATER (edited September 15, 2000).]

 

looking back at all the ideas that have been suggested, and how each doesn't work, I think this is gonna be a three way trade where a team that needs a PF gets Fizer, sends a first round pick to us, then we send drew to chicago......would it work? and who needs a PF right now?

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Sane,

Unfortunately, in that scenario - the Faker$. Their 1st rounder might as well be a seconder (very late 20's).

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It all has to do with need, they need Drew, and maybe to the extent of taking drew and an early second rounder from us and a second rounder from the lakers (which seems to make sense)....

houston gets:
Lakers first round pick, in the 20's, but a project is possible with that pick since next year's draft is supposed to be so deep.

bulls get:
drew
Rockets second rounder next year
Lakers second rounder in two years

Lakers get:
rights to Fizer


why not? we got drew in the late first round, we're getting one back.....The Lakers will be done dealing, they'll be complete.....and the bulls get two second rounders, and Drew to START, because they need him to start......I think everyone benefits, the Blazers and quitten get ****ed` by us for completing the Lakers, and the bulls get what they wanted, Drew....I made the second round pick from the Lakers to Bulls in two years so the Lakers won't be totally shut out of next year's draft..


everyone benefits, and the bulls are nowhere near ripped off..........

All this for Drew



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They don't NEED Drew that bad to give up a no. 1 pick. The two second rounders don't even sweeten the deal for the Bulls, not much.

It will never happen....need or not. I would venture to say they would rather play Maloney and Crawford before giving up Fizer for Drew.

To add to that, why would Krause strengthen the Lakers at the PF spot, solidifying their roster to the fullest, without at the very least getting Rice, plus Drew, plus picks. THAT is a more realistic deal.

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[This message has been edited by HOOP-T (edited September 15, 2000).]

 

1. Fizer becomes the sixth man off the bench most likely. He'll backup Brand and Rice. Remember though...the Bulls have a glut of guys who can play the PF position (Ruffin is going to be considered a second round steal in a season or so) and they want Fizer to begin logs lots of minutes at the SF position.

2. Top 5 protected? Uh uh. Lottery protected maybe...more likely a swap of draft picks. We've got to have a first rounder next year.

3. The Bulls will be competitive. Rice wants to show the world he's got 3 or 4 seasons left in him, and that he's deserving of a big multi-year contract. Brand can play with any PF in this league. And Mercers jump shooting and Bryces Jump shooting and Miller playing in what essentially amounts to a contract year will add up to hunger and a lot of wins. "A lot" is relative however...remember, I'm a Bulls fan I don't think it's absurd to think we'll at least double our wins from last season. Floyd is a better coach than he's given credit for.

4. Did you know that Grant Hill said the hardest player for him to play against in the league today was Ron Artest? Ronnies a stud defender and Fizer is going to be the bomb. They will play, as will Crawford. I think mixed with the 1st string our second will be ok. But I don't know about efense from ANYONE on either string but Ronnie. If we can't stop 'em, we can't win.


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is there ANY way that we can trade Drew and have the Bulls pay Matt Maloney?

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Do not expect Krause to ever do anything to help Phil Jackson. Remember that Krause wants all of the credit for the Bulls' championships and helping Phil build a dynasty would certainly not help.

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