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Fix the point guard position

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sydmill, Jun 19, 2023.

  1. xaos

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    Apparently Memphis is shopping Tyus. He'd be a great option, as others have mentioned
     
  2. Hemingway

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    Agreed. The guy to bring up the ball is KPJ.
     
  3. Hemingway

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    Conley is under team control the next two years, so you don’t have to throw money at him, but Minny might demand quite a bit, because they don’t have another PG. Lowry would be the ideal, because Miami will give him up for free to get rid of the cap. You might even get a 2nd for him.
     
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  4. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I'm sure Tyty and KPJ can one day run the PG position competently for a playoff team, but I just don't think that's next season. I think that's 2-4 years away for those guys. Seems like the organization believes so too.

    I think what you're feeling about Smith is very unique to you. You seem closer to calling him a bust than most and you have a right to your opinion, but I'm saying the organization is not on that path with you. Yes, most people can see reasons to excuse his shooting last season and don't believe it's 100% on him. I do - like most NBA fans - believe that a better floor general will improve a young shooter who had issues with confidence last season. We can discuss forever about that, but it's clear there's a split there.

    You don't need traditional roles to win big in the NBA of course, but our team in particular is screaming for a PG who is unselfish, mature, gives his teammates confidence and understands the hierarchy. I think possibly I place more weight on the mental side of the game than you do, so it makes sense we don't agree. I understand you're very pragmatic in your approach - i.e. "if he missed those shots last season why would he make them next season?".

    One more important point is:

    This is I think where the core of our disagreement sits. If we have a great floor general and they keep bricking shots, then I know what to do with my assets. Right now I have no information about our assets except that over 90% of the roster shot below expectations last season for some "mysterious" reason.
     
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  5. Bobbythegreat

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    That's hilarious, blaming the guy who passed the ball for the guy who missed wide open shots. I guess that's an indication of what level of honesty we're dealing with.

    There's just no universe where that's a rational take.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    If all they do is add the 4th pick to take Daishen Nix/Eric Gordon's spot, that's not much of a change IMO.

    HOPE

    I'M

    WRONG
     
  7. OremLK

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    I mean do you really think stingy Frittata is going to let his money get split up paying all the current players extra to do the same jobs? He's gonna spend the money (the bare minimum possible, I'll bet), it's just a question of what players they acquire
     
  8. Verbal Christ

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    TyTy was the definition of "floor general" coming out of college. KPJ on the worst shooting team in the NBA, with an incompetent coach and an edict to tank did as well as anyone could expect. Is "point guard" his calling? Maybe not, but this team did him no favors either. I just dont think we need some savant, passing prodigy to shoot better as a team and improve the win totals - if this team can shoot at an average clip and play defense with heart and passion they will win more games. That is the essence of my position.

    Im not expecting a similar season from Jabari because towards the end of the year he started to look like the player I thought he could be. Did the passes get crisper and more "on time" during his hot streak? Did KPJ/TyTy say nice things to him to build his confidence? I just need him to make the majority of his open shots when the team makes all the right moves to create them.

    I think Sengun offers what you are looking for in terms of discipline and IQ in a passer without needing to waste high draft picks on a guy who's not ready or spending a kings ransom on a player like Van Fleet. My point stands that if this team as a whole was average in terms of outside shooting and specifically wide open 3 point shooting many of our gripes would be minor inconveniences. I think some guys are trying to reinvent the wheel in trying to find out the "reasons" on why we stunk as a team. It goes beyond one position or one player.
     
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  9. SamFisher

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    I think the combination of the Rockets not being an attractive destination and not that many players being available in URF is going to lead to minimal adding that's driven by players (unless Harden or some wacky trade happens).

    Basically that's one of the reasons why even an older Harden is a useful add - the drop-off between him and whatever else is realistically available to the Rockets is very steep.

    If the Rockets totally strike out and are below the minimum salary floor - I wouldn't be surprised if they add a vet at a high salary and then cut him. That's the kind of product we have been given for 3+ seasons now.
     
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  10. OremLK

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    Could be true, but there are always guys who have been stuck on the bench with their current teams and want an increased role, or veterans who don't care about ring hunting and are just looking to cash in and get paid for one last big contract before they're out of the league. Or teams eager to dump contracts to clear cap space for an upgrade.
     
  11. Mathloom

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    I don't think we need a savant - and said as much a few posts ago - but we do need a league average starter there imo. A league average starting PG makes around $25-30m. The only rookie I would give the starting PG role to would be Scoot.

    Again, I understand you don't care much about the psychology of things, but yes the passes to Jabari were crisper, earlier, they landed where they were expected and Jabari was encouraged by the team. They were running plays for him and that also led to him making a higher % of his open 3's.

    These things matter to winning imo.
     
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  12. sirjesse

    sirjesse The Udoker has spoken!
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  13. Hemingway

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    Yes. Lowry is a good dump contract target for us. That will give us our vet PG to play 20 minutes as backup. Miami might actually give us a second to take the contract, but at the very most we will only have to pay a 2nd or highly protected first (like top 25). Conley or Caruso would also be great, but the asset cost to us will be greater.

    The Nets are going to get desperate sometime and we should be able grab bridges by taking on Simmons contract and a bunch of their own picks back to them. Of course, somebody might come in with a stupid offer and we lose out. If the Nets were really smart they would send us bridges and Simmons to us for #4 this year and most of their picks. They would then have max space to sign a FA and a building block in Miller or whatever flavor they like best. We kick the Simmons cap space down the road a couple of years and still have plenty to sign a max player in the meantime. The Nets can then either tank or have an absolute ton of draft assets to bargain with.
     
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    1) Move up for Scoot!
    Idc what folks are asking for... Charlotte doesnt want to draft a pg... imo #4, #10 (from dallas) + an asset like kmj should move us up for Scoot.... anything more than like throwin in Tate or taking a bad contract - n i'm out...
    2) Overpay Van Fleet... we got the cap space... bite the bullet and pay somebody among all these rookie scale contracts...
    3) Find a guy like Conley whos maybe over the hill and/or on a neg value contract... try to extract an extra asset and pay the contract just to raise the basketball iq of the room...

    no interest in Harden unless its 2 years or less - not interested in a neg value contract after he pulls the ripcord.
    Kyrie can keep his crazy a** as far away from my team as possible...
     

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