Fischer: Rockets interested in reaching long term deal with Fred VanVleet

Lmfao.

bro he’s way better than MLE money..

 

Pretty sure we are. This is literally the first real competitive season since the season Harden left so a playoff one and done was considering a successful season despite us wanting to go further.

 

Yes, this is clearly a successful season. I was just responding to the person who want FVV retained because he's needed to keep the other youngsters from not sucking. My point is just if he's needed for them to not suck, then there's no point in the Rockets retaining him. Because there are clearly better players who the Rockets should use their money on under the luxury tax or apron or whatever ceililng Fertitta operates under, in order to take this team to the next level.

 

I think it is reasonable to start a plan to develop the young guys to take over the starting PG role. I don't think FVV will go to the bench at the beginning of the season. But if you don't have a goal to groom a young guy, then you'll always go the easy way of yanking anyone who f$%^ up (to quote your wording) and put the old man back. You can set a timeline on how long you can tolerate the pain of growth before you end the experiment. (I mean, they have tolerated Jalen's growing pain for a LONG time.)

What I don't want to see is giving Udoka an unlimited crutch at the expense of slowing down the rebuild process. I've always said that coaches are by nature of their jobs shortsighted in terms of team building. They want to win every single game with the best tools they have (or think they have) at the time.

 

if Brooks and Vanvleet are on the team next year I would like to see them playing about 28 minutes per game.

 

I was happy when Fred was hired. The young Rockets needed him. They depend on him heavily. He has succeeded in shepherding the team as a floor general. And he had some nice games in this series.

Ultimately, though, he ain't good enough for us to reach further than a "happy to be here" playoff appearance. The offensive improvement has got to come from somewhere, and let's face it, it's got to be the guard positions. Both of them. Fred can be a valuable trade piece. But the prospect of FVV retiring in Houston as the starting point guard just ain't going to work if we want to see the second round.

 

I think the drop in minutes is hardly significant enough to be viewed as anything other than a slight fluctuation. I do noticed that he played more off ball and took slightly fewer shots for both Amen and Jalen, hence the drop of usage.

 

If we resign fvv, ime is just gonna spam him 40+ mins. We won't overachieve next season and our offense would still be hot garbage.

We need an actual playmaker.
Replacing green with a "better guard" will do jack sht if it's fvv running the offense.

 

If he comes back, he needs to be on a contract that is tradeable. That’s the most important thing. I can see a number of different scenarios with all of this. If we pay him his 40 million next year and then sign him for a couple of more years at a very team friendly rate, then that may be something that works well for both the Rockets and Fred.

The Rockets do need to find their superstar. But, it doesn’t have to be a PG. Fred on a team with a real superstar could probably work out nicely.

 

Don't know why people think re-signing FVV means re-signing him to big money or as the long-term starter.

FVV is a good player, at a position of need, who can play on/off ball, switch, and be a starter or a backup. And his market is the TMLE ($14M).

Of course they're going to keep him around at that price. This summer is an extremely advantageous time to have a team option on a player like FVV.

We can basically name our price on him. Maybe $25M/1yr. Maybe $35M/2 yrs with a team option. It's basically whatever the Rockets FO wants.

 

If the Rockets decline is 44M option, and think he's going to completely understand the pay-cut, you are crazy. He will bolt in free agency just because he'll feel offended even if the market isn't all that great.

FVV and his agent will want the Rockets ideally to pick up his 44M player option, and still have a good enough season to command at the least a full MLE contract next summer.

The non-taxpayer MLE next Summer I think is projected to be around 14-15M a year for four years. In theory FVV stands to make 44M + 50ish mil with his last big contract next Summer in free agency assuming there is an MLE market for him. FVV could be looking at 94+ million dollars IF he plays well next season, and looks healthy going into free agency.

If the Rockets go to FVV and his agent this week, and say we want to decline your option, and re-sign you for 14M a year for 4 years, in Fred, and his agents mind they are LOSING potentially 30 to 40 million dollars since the contract he signs either this Summer or next will likely be his last one.

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So long story short, if the Rockets are looking to resign him at a lower cost... unless Fred is just feeling generous or doesn't believe in himself in free agency next season, the salary we have to offer him will STILL be somewhere between Brook's salary, and Jalen/Senguns as the third highest salary on the team in the 25 to 30M per year range to get him to agree, and not risk him walking for nothing this Summer (which who knows... might still happen).

Fred in the 14-15M per year salary range sadly doesn't look like a reality.

 

I think rockets will decline 3rd year and give him long term on friendly deal but my guts tells me Fred ain’t gonna take that and rockets will end up taking final year and move him as trade asset. If we sign Fred it is great news for short term but it means we won’t be seeing Reed ever again as Rockets

 

The Rockets need Amen Thompson or Alperen Sengun to become a superstar and an elite offensive engine if they want to take the next step.

Fred VanVleet is not holding the team back from taking the next step. Not having an elite offensive engine is. That’s on Amen or Sengun to become one, or Stone needs to trade for one.

 

Sorry, but this is a misunderstanding of the situation. FVV has known HOU isn't picking up the $45M team option to keep him since the contract was negotiated. That's not what the team option is for, we have known this since 2023.

The team option is there so that HOU could use it as matching salary if the situation came up. This was great for FVV because it gave him a small chance to get ~$25-30M extra "free" dollars just because of CBA matching salary rules (in the same way Jock Landale might get free money next year if he's used as matching salary). Richaun Holmes contract in WAS another example. Bojan Bogdanovic this year too got that free money.

It's only a team option instead of non-guarantee because with a team option you keep the bird rights when you decline it.

Fred is not "losing" money next year lol. Any dollars he gets above the MLE is HOU just giving him extra money because our FO likes him.

It's a business, "I'll be irrationally mad and leave $10M on the table to go to a worse situation, therefore you have to give me more" is not a thing. If it was, every player would win every negotiation by saying that.

 

fvv stans need to realize that we were the 2nd seed being near the bottom in assist category with fvv running point. that's insane.

man plays a slow ass pace for a young team and can not playmake or elevate our youngster.

 

• Kyrie Irving: (Dallas Mavericks): Has a player option for the 2025-26 season.
• Chris Paul: (San Antonio Spurs): A veteran point guard, he will be a free agent.
• James Harden: (LA Clippers): Has a player option for the 2025-26 season.
• Josh Giddey: (Chicago Bulls): A restricted free agent.
• Fred VanVleet: (Houston Rockets): Has a team option for the 2025-26 season.
• D'Angelo Russell: (Brooklyn Nets): Potential free agent.
• Dennis Schroder: (Detroit Pistons): A veteran player, his future is uncertain.
• Tyus Jones: (Phoenix Suns): Another veteran point guard option.
• Malcolm Brogdon: (Portland Trail Blazers): Has an expiring contract.

Kyrie or Giddey… if we keep FVV give me CP3 to run second unit with Reed at SG

 

With Fred as a starter we aren’t a serious contender.

DD

 

Fred didn't create for anyone in game 7 and chucked up some awful shots. his assists died this season. 4.4 assists he averaged in the Playoffs