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Fischer: Rockets interested in reaching long term deal with Fred VanVleet

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OremLK, Jan 31, 2025.

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Should the Rockets sign FVV to a long-term deal?

  1. Yes (at any semi-reasonable price)

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    28.7%
  2. Maybe (only on a team-friendly deal)

    136 vote(s)
    50.7%
  3. No

    55 vote(s)
    20.5%
  1. Hemingway

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    Well Ime will sure cure that lack of structure and poor shot selection, LOL.
     
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    Horrible shooting. Worse than now. Ridiculous idea.
     
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  3. carl_herrera

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    Jalen would be the obvious main piece in a LaMelo trade construction IMO.

    Durability / salary matching / age / fan appeal / potential all would make Jalen appealing for CHA.

    LaMelo is more talented than Jalen but Jalen is more reliable, and allows CHA to sell a reset to their fans.

    You would want FVV + LaMelo in the backcourt together, for teaching / leadership / defensive purposes. FVV as a 4th/5th starter is great.

    I’d assume Whitmore gets thrown in too. Minimal picks, if any.

    LaMelo is a distressed asset, no way we send our best picks or young players, and nobody else is gonna offer a haul to CHA given the risk profile.
     
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  4. xiki

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    As I suggested, it’s worth listening to. Considering. And then? Really not prepared to commit.
     
  5. xiki

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    why is EVERYONE ready to dump out on CW? He’s more than a usual suspect as a throw-in.
     
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    because they are secretly in love with JG. idc in the end Whitmore will be JG’s replacement. start him in his place and we easily win more games. and the only reason he would be benched is because Udoka hates him unlike JGs trash efforts on defense majority of the game
     
  7. Terror-Trips

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    Jalen better as 1v1 defender + more dependable with switches than Cam. Cam better defensive playmaker (defense to offense). But neither would be classified as elite defensively.
     
  8. billWorellshow

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    neither is neither here nor there, but Cam’s proven countless times he makes Green redundant. strength>weakness anyway
     
  9. ApacheWarrior

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    Houston in: LaMelo ($38M) / Mark Williams ($6.3M)
    x
    New Orleans in: VanVleet ($44.9M non guaranteed) + picks




    I'd say yes
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    Houston in: LaMelo / Mark Williams
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    Pelicans in: Sengun ($33.9M) / Reed Sheppard ($10.6M) + picks



    I'd say yes yes
     
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  10. Terror-Trips

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    Bad timing on this trade proposal. Rockets do not win tonight with LaMelo + Mark Williams instead of Sengun. And Reed is going to be more important very soon.

    FYI - I think you meant CHA, not NOP.

     
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    Must have been sleepy when I posted, meant Hornets.

    Rockets had to resort to gimmicks of double bigs.

    So remember me saying teams would pack the paint, limit rebounds if they do their job
    and everyone box out, decreased second chance points. Well Steven Adams goes
    in there and moves people around. Amen hits the glass like a wrecking ball. Sengun
    picks up the ball bouncing at his feet.

    Congrats, let's hope that gets us past the first round. Pelicans are a
    second to last place team. And Steven Adams is a free agent.
    The money you spend re-signing him "may" go against
    the money needed to obtain a "so called" star.

    Let's see what happens with VanVleet contract this summer.
    *Used in trade
    *Waived (non guaranteed or team option....now it's too early in the morning)
    *Waived and then re-signed to lesser amount
    *Kept the same. Continues playing for Rockets until he doesn't.
     
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  12. cbass

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    Cam has certainly NOT proven that countless times.

    What a ridiculous statement — completely divorced from reality.
     
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  13. xiki

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    well, that is an answer.
     
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    Honestly this injury could be a blessing in disguise. FVV being hurt for this long allows our younger players like Reed and Amen to run point more and eventually take his spot.

    Also this long injury issue should give the Rockets greater leverage in finding a team friendly deal. If he wants to chase 30+ million we should know 100% to just let him go.
     
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    Melo’s injury history scares me
     
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    plus hes not really efficient at all. He literally been Jalen level efficiency his career but is worse this year actually. To be honest, the only thing he does have on Jalen is facilitating.

    Lamelo is a serious injury risk, plays incredibly undisciplined, and is probably a worst defender now.
     
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  17. OremLK

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    I agree this is how the deal would have to happen. I wouldn't want to give up much more than just Jalen. Maybe a not-that-great FRP or two, hands off the Phoenix/Brooklyn/Dallas ones unless they're heavily protected.

    Even then, I don't know. It's hard to give up on Jalen, whose best trait has been his availability, for a guy who misses so many games. LaMelo probably raises the ceiling on this team a little bit, but the floor is so f*cking low with him.
     
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    The Rockets can create ~$19.3m in cap space by declining FVV's option and renouncing Jeff Green, Tate & Adams.
    I'd be looking at Tyus Jones as a potential replacement, shooting 45% from the field, 40%+ from 3 and 88.5% from the FT stripe - all upgrades over FVV and can actually attack and finish the paint 82% at the rim and 47% within 10 feet. Massive upgrades over FVV's 54% at the rim & 43% within 10.
    Jones has a similar assist to turnover ratio and has been a better defender in the past than he has shown with PHX - that team is just terrible defensively and it brings everyone's numbers down.

    He signed with PHX for the minimum, probably wouldn't cost more than the mini MLE leaving you cap space to spend elsewhere (backup big? or another point guard in case of injury that's been so critical to the recent slide).
    Hell, even if you kept FVV and didn't renounce your FA's you could sign him with the mini MLE and not worry about a single injury derailing your season - like it has since FVV was injured.

    The bonus to that is how it affects the Suns - taking away their starting point guard and being a 2nd apron team, no salary exceptions (MLE, BAE) to replace him - they are likely still a 2nd apron team or very close to it even after a Durant trade. Highly likely that they are left signing someone for the minimum unless they are able to get a starting caliber point as part of the KD return - I think it's very unlikely they would get an equal or better replacement.
     
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    I think chasing stars / big names at the PG spot this season is a fool's errand .... of those big names who might be available, none are good fits with the Rockets long term or come with significant risk otherwise.

    You really don't need a superstar / big name player to upgrade the position over FVV - he's been terrible this year and honestly wasn't good enough last season either - can't get in the paint or finish plays other than from 3 and this year that's been missing too.
    Yes, he's been solid defensively and the team has been shite without him, but I think that's more due to a serviceable backup than him being a critical piece.

    The only way I keep FVV is picking up the option with the idea of trading him and I better have a deal lined up.
     
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  20. Terror-Trips

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    What do you think of Lonzo Ball?

     

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