Fischer: Rockets interested in reaching long term deal with Fred VanVleet

I look at that list and I don't see a PG in the 11-30 range that is better than FVV and easy to acquire.

Rockets don't have the cap space for Harden. Trading ~35M in salaries for Harden, along with necessary trade assets just does not seem worth it even assuming one doesn't value FVV's defense much. Personally, I think the Rockets have a hard enough time defending with Sengun and Green that I think adding Harden is not a good fit.

I'm fine if the Rockets add a star PG. For all intents and purposes, FVV basically is a free PG for the Rockets.

 

You legit think FVV is a VASTLY SUPERIOR defender than Harden?

Rocket River

 

I legit think the Rockets have early Bird Rights to FVV, and not Harden such that it doesn't matter....

..and yes, FVV is a vastly superior defender than Harden.

 

mmmkay
You have your mind made up on that one
But dropping 50 Mill on FVV will be interesting
(HE at 44 now . . .. do you expect him to take a cut?)

Rocket River

 

Fred's now missed 20% of this season(and counting). The Rockets need to look elsewhere for a point guard this offseason. And he sure as hell better not be the fulltime starter if he returns on a more economical contract.

It's the latter thing that concerns me the most. I don't trust Ime to not favor the veterans next season even if they're underperforming.

 

At what price? I don't think Fred is going to want anything less than $25M and to be a backup PG? NO!

I say, let's give the ball to Amen now and see how the rest of the yr goes.

For the rest of the yr, our starting lineup needs to be; Amen, Green, Brooks, Jabari and Sengun

 

FVV probably will be signed somewhere in $20-30M AAV as that is about his value. Maybe they give him a little more early, but decreasing such that it isn't a large percentage of the cap when Amen signs an extension.

At that cost, if the Rockets can get a legit star PG, FVV can go to the bench.

 

If Lamelo is on the market, we should definitely go get him. He has most of what this team needs. And, the defense is less of an issue since the rockets have guys that can cover his man. He can rest while defending the weakest scorer on the court, something a lot of PG's can't do because they lack his size.

Honestly, I think he would respond well to being coached hard. I think that's the way his dad was with them growing up and he'd fall in line more easily.

I'd probably be most concerned with his shooting efficiency. But, I think that's mostly due to poor shot selection and lack of structure.

 

If true then cool
That Said . . . .What makes you think FVV thinks he is LESS VALUABLE now than when we signed him?
I mean SIGNIFICANTLY less valuabel
We talking a 25~50% pay cut.

Rocket River

 

I want nothing to do with a long term FVV deal.

I appreciate what he's done while here, but his best days are behind him and he's not going to get any healthier.

If he wanted a very short, small contract, and we could trust Ime not to try and play him 40 minutes a game, I'd be fine with that... but i don't trust Ime when it comes to rotations and FVV wouldn't accept a deal like that (and probably shouldn't)

 

Agreed
I cannot see him taking a 5 yr 100 Million Dollar Contract
I'd be surprised at 150 Million for 5 yrs

I guess that's the question

If you want him here. . .what does his contract look like?

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Rocket River

 

He's got no leverage.

He's a free PG to the Rockets. Other teams have to use cap space or an MLE.

He can think he's worth whatever he wants, but no other team has his early Bird rights. Brooklyn is the only team that I think can offer him over $15M without jumping through hoops. If the Rockets are in the $20-30M/per year range, Brooklyn will pass.

 

Even for a one year deal, I'd want him to cut his current yearly amount by 50% at least. We're talking Dillon Brooks territory.

Now I don't think he would or even should take that deal, so i think a mutual parting would be best.

 

Leverage in the NBA is so overrated
Players almost ALWAYS get that they want money wise
Whether its a Sign in Trade or not

and then there is the player's feelings
where they take 20 million less elsewhere just to spite the team they leaving

Rocket River

 

I see Lamelo getting bought up a few times in this thread.

To clarify, most of the recent tweets/reports, are coming from outside, Hornets org themselves have not reported on shopping LaMelo Ball. This is lot of outside teams wishful thinking that they can pluck a small team's #1 guy without giving up their own #1 guy. This was reiterated by local Charlotte reporters.

Hornets is self aware that they are not a stars destination. Who they have is who they have and they can only draft their way into success. I don't see Hornets just offering him, even if you dangle an Amen, Sengun or Jalen. And it's less to do with which prospect is better but more to do what Lamelo means for that franchise.

Their hope is Lamelo + Brandon + maybe one of the high picks from this upcoming draft. Everyone else on that squad (Miles Bridges, Mark Williams are gettable).

 

You think he'll want more?
That seems like a ridiculous overpaid contract to me.

 

I think AT BEST Fred will be looking for something like 3 yrs 105

Rocket River

 

Players like James Harden + even Jalen are the exception, not the rule. The norm is that the average NBA player gets injured more often than not.