First the National Defense Authorization Act and now SOPA

Classic · Jan 3, 2012

rhadamanthus said: ↑

Amazon, Google, and Facebook contemplating the "nuclear option".

That would be epic.

EDIT: Of course an even better solution would be to replace DNS. BOOM!
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Bad ass.

Classic · Jan 3, 2012

rocketsjudoka said: ↑

This is the first I've heard of this but doing a little research this order doesn't seem like it was JFK's attempt to undermine the Fed but an attempt to actually control the flow of silver from the US Treasury and actually strengthen the Fed.

Regarding the question of that JFK was killed over this consider the following.
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Off SOPA for a sec,

The JFK legacy/death is something that's interested me. I'm about to read this book. My dad's a big JFK buff and said it's the best he's read yet. If the topic interests anyone, the reviews are pretty good:

http://www.amazon.com/JFK-Unspeakable-Why-Died-Matters/dp/1570757550

rhadamanthus · Jan 5, 2012

Not content with screwing over it's own citizens, the US is pushing for similar legislation in other countries too...

In the letter, which was also sent to Minister of Culture Ángeles González-Sinde after whom the law is named, Solomont noted that Spain is already on the Special 301, the annual report prepared by the Office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR) detailing ‘trade barriers’ based on intellectual property issues.

Solomont’s threat was that should Spain not pass the Sinde Law (described by some as the Spanish SOPA) then the country would be degraded further and placed on the Priority Watch List. This serious step would mean that Spain was in breach of trade agreements and could be subjected to a range of “retaliatory actions”.
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rhadamanthus · Jan 9, 2012

"Your" representatives...

"What do 1-800-Contacts, Adidas, Americans for Tax Reform, Comcast, the Country Music Association, Estee Lauder, Ford, Nike and Xerox all have in common? According to OpenCongress.org, they all have specifically endorsed H.R. 3261, the Stop Online Piracy Act. A total of 158 corporations have signed up in favor of the bill, and only 87 against. $21 Million has been donated to Congressmen who favor the bill, but only $5 Million to those against. Thanks to OpenCongress for these insights. This goes a long way towards explaining why this bill has so much traction, despite all its negative publicity."
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link

Classic · Jan 9, 2012

rhadamanthus said: ↑

"Your" representatives...

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Just think, soon we could be enjoying a filtered internet! The internet could soon become a filtered mouth-piece just like fox news, how exciting. I've got faith in the tech boys to beat this...for the time being.

Deckard · Jan 9, 2012

rocketsjudoka said: ↑

This is the first I've heard of this but doing a little research this order doesn't seem like it was JFK's attempt to undermine the Fed but an attempt to actually control the flow of silver from the US Treasury and actually strengthen the Fed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110

[rquoter]On November 28, 1961, President Kennedy halted sales of silver by the Treasury Department. Increasing demand of silver as an industrial metal had led to an increase in the market price of silver above the United States government's fixed price. This led to a decline in the government's excess silver reserves by over 80% during 1961. President Kennedy also called upon Congress to phase out silver certificates in favor of Federal Reserve notes.[1][2]

President Kennedy repeated his calls for Congress to act on several occasions, including his 1963 Economic Report, where he wrote:[3]

I again urge a revision in our silver policy to reflect the status of silver as a metal for which there is an expanding industrial demand. Except for its use in coins, silver serves no useful monetary function.

In 1961, at my direction, sales of silver were suspended by the Secretary of the Treasury. As further steps, I recommend repeal of those Acts that oblige the Treasury to support the price of silver; and repeal of the special 50-percent tax on transfers of interest in silver and authorization for the Federal Reserve System to issue notes in denominations of $1, so as to make possible the gradual withdrawal of silver certificates from circulation and the use of the silver thus released for coinage purposes. I urge the Congress to take prompt action on these recommended changes.

[edit] Public Law 88-36The House of Representatives took up the President's request early in 1963,[4] and passed HR 5389 on April 10, 1963, by a vote of 251 to 122.[5][6] The Senate passed the bill on May 23, by a vote of 68 to 10.[7][8]

President Kennedy signed the bill into law on June 4, 1963 and also signed an executive order (11110) authorizing the Treasury Secretary to continue printing silver certificates during the transition period.[9][10] The act, which became Public Law 88-36 (77 Stat. 54), repealed the Silver Purchase Act of 1934 and related laws, repealed a tax on silver transfers, and authorized the Federal Reserve to issue one- and two-dollar bills, in addition to the notes they were already issuing.[11] The Silver Purchase Act had authorized and required the Secretary Treasury to buy silver and issue silver certificates. With its repeal, the President needed to delegate to the Treasury Secretary the President's own authority under the Agricultural Adjustment Act.[12]
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Regarding the question of that JFK was killed over this consider the following.

[rquoter]According to author Jim Mars, Executive Order 11110 issued by President Kennedy on June 4, 1963 authorized the issuance of $4,292,893,815 in United States Notes. Mars further asserts that after President Kennedy's assassination, the order was never carried out.

The claim is not borne out by the facts. First, E.O. 11110 had nothing to do with United States Notes, and did not affect any section of law referring to them. Second, E.O. 11110 did not anywhere mention any quantity of money; wherever the $4 billion-plus figure came from, it was not E.O. 11110. Third, The President had no authority to issue such an edict. Even utilizing the provisions of the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933, the most the President could issue without statutory authorization was $3 billion.

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The reason for the move was that the President had just signed legislation repealing the Silver Purchase Act. With this repeal, the Treasury Secretary could no longer control the issue of Silver Certificates on his own authority. However, the issuance of certificates could be controlled under the President's authority. Hence, for administrative convenience, President Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110.

Ironically, the purpose of the order and the legislation was to decrease the circulation of Silver Certificates, with Federal Reserve Notes taking their place.

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To conserve on the silver needs of the Treasury, President Kennedy requested legislation needed to bring the issuance of Silver Certificates to an end and to authorize the Fed to issue small denomination notes (which it could not at that time). The Fed began issuing small denomination notes almost immediately after the legislation was passed. And in October 1964, the Treasury ceased issuing Silver Certificates altogether. If anything, E.O. 11110 enhanced Federal Reserve power and did not in any way reduce it.
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Having just heard of this I willing to say that there might be more to it but I think given what is reported here I am not convinced that JFK was trying to undermine the Fed or that the Fed had reason to kill JFK over this. Further this executive order wasn't repealed by LBJ and was only repealed by Ronald Reagan.
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Nice job, Judo. I'm surprised. I thought that you thought Jack Kennedy was the Devil? ;-)-

RedRedemption · Jan 9, 2012

basso said: ↑

from Hope and Change to SOPA 'n Blame.

it's been quite a 3 year ride.
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Don't pretend like the GOP is any better.

CrazyDave · Jan 11, 2012

Reddit admins announce January 18 blackout to protest SOPA

The Internet has been rumbling and mobilizing in response to SOPA. One of the latest acts of protest against the Stop Online Piracy Act is a planned blackout by social website reddit on January 18.

Reddit admins announced the plan in a blog post on Tuesday. The post acknowledged the activism by redditors in the fight against “powerful forces trying to censor the Internet.” However, the admins explained that it was time for the next stage of the fight, and they’ve decided they will be blacking out reddit on January 18. The blackout will last all day from 8am to 8pm Eastern Standard Time.

Instead of the normal reddit gumbo, visitors will be treated to a message about the impact of the PIPA/SOPA legislation on sites such as reddit. Along with the message will be links to resources for visitors to research the legislation. Reddit will also be showcasing a live video stream of “Internet entrepreneurs and technical experts” testifying at the House hearing. And for those of you looking for activist activities, like meetups or campaigns against PIPA/SOPA, reddit will be spotlighting these that day.

This is a preliminary sketch for what reddit plans on showing on the website, but the community is still welcome to suggest further ideas for what the site will do with its extra cycles on January 18. Reddit has been at the frontlines for activism against SOPA. Last month, members lead a boycott to move domains from GoDaddy, which resulted in the domain registrar reversing its position on the legislation. In the fight against SOPA, Wikipedia recently considered a blackout of its site for all English-language articles.

The threat of the SOPA legislation seems to be pushing some into tight, desperate corners, but the reddit admins say, “we’re not taking this action lightly. We wouldn’t do this if we didn’t believe this legislation and the forces behind it were a serious threat to reddit and the Internet as we know it.”

This article was originally posted on Digital Trends

rhadamanthus · Jan 11, 2012

^^^Awesomesauce.

rhadamanthus · Jan 16, 2012

Cantor killed it.

Good news!

[cynic]How long until they put out an equally nasty yet slightly less horrible bill that will pass with the "it's better than SOPA" angle?[/cynic]

CrazyDave · Jan 16, 2012

rhadamanthus said: ↑

Cantor killed it.

Good news!

[cynic]How long until they put out an equally nasty yet slightly less horrible bill that will pass with the "it's better than SOPA" angle?[/cynic]
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Yes, tentatively excited, but I agree with your post completely. Hopefully it will be transparent enough that the backlash will multiply, but they learn from their mistakes, appease the money opposing them, and fire again. Let's hope it falls apart as well.

KingCheetah · Jan 16, 2012

White House airs objections to SOPA, PIPA anti-piracy bills

The White House waded knee-deep into the ferociously debated anti-piracy legislation strongly supported by the Motion Picture Association of America on Saturday.

In what was considered a rather blunt statement by the Obama administration, White House officials said they would not support certain aspects of the two bills, the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the Protect Intellectual Property Act (PIPA), both of which are widely accused of limiting freedom of speech online and would likely unfairly punish legitimate websites.

full article

CrazyDave · Jan 16, 2012

KingCheetah said: ↑

White House airs objections to SOPA, PIPA anti-piracy bills
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Guess they were afraid to say that before?

rhadamanthus · Jan 16, 2012

PIPA (the senate version) still lives...

Wikipedia is going black on the 18th in protest.

Classic · Jan 16, 2012

rhadamanthus said: ↑

PIPA (the senate version) still lives...

Wikipedia is going black on the 18th in protest.
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Bring it google.

Scionxa · Jan 16, 2012

Classic said: ↑

Bring it google.
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Even though I don't use Facebook, I'd like them to participate as well.

Google, Facebook, Reddit, and Wikipedia offline for a day would definitely cause a stir

dback816 · Jan 16, 2012

Scionxa said: ↑

Even though I don't use Facebook, I'd like them to participate as well.

Google, Facebook, Reddit, and Wikipedia offline for a day would definitely cause a stir
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I do not feel reddit is quite on that level

Scionxa · Jan 16, 2012

dback816 said: ↑

I do not feel reddit is quite on that level
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Facebook definitely is.

Deckard · Jan 16, 2012

I have yet to see a veto threat from the Oval Office. Why all this dancing around?

rhadamanthus · Jan 16, 2012

Scionxa said: ↑

Even though I don't use Facebook, I'd like them to participate as well.

Google, Facebook, Reddit, and Wikipedia offline for a day would definitely cause a stir
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Reddit is already doing it. Check my link above.

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