How convenient - we lose JVG's fault but when we win it is Yao or Tmac's doing. Has any of you noticed that Hakeem, timmy, Jordan, Shaq/Kobe did the same heroics and carried their teams as well. So by this logic Rudyt, Pop, Phil and Phillip had nothing to do with the championship. Like presidents, coaches should take the glory and blame for wins and loss. Every loss or win are equal opportunity employers - no discrimination. Heroics my Richard
Anyone like to make similar statements to the rox-dallas game? I don't know what the line is, it has to be more than 7 points. Over the last 4 games, we've taken a very good dallas team to OT, beat 2 bad teams, and stole one from the best in the league. How did we do it? Defense. That's right. JVG's defense. Now that we have our defense figured out, we've done most of the work. The most important battle is over. The offense is the easier part. We'll figure it out real soon. It doesn't matter who's offense we run, if the perimeter can't hit their open shots, there is nothing the coach can do. It's a good thing our defense keeps us in most games. See how nicely that works?
Most of the places don't post NBA lines until the day of the game. My expectation is that it will be well less than 7, probably in the 2-3 range, and it may even be a "pick 'em," given the way things went in Dallas.
??? The Dallas loss was not a defensive gem. The Sixers and Hornets games were average defensively, with low scores courtesy of the same old, same old, "low possesion" stuff. Last night was the only one of those four that I would consider "good effort" defensively, and the victory came only when they went away from defense, and opened things up out of necessity.
Don't tell me that JVG drew those 3 point bombs on a clipboard. JVG's offense put them in a situation that T-mac had to be superman to win.
I beg to differ. The Dallas game was the first game all season our D finally clicked. The rotation was excellant, we were where we needed to be. If Dirk just decides he's going to shoot over everyone for 50+ points, there is nothing any defense can do. We did our part, Dirk was just not human that night. It was also the first game Tmac started staying behind for rebounds. Ever since then, we have out rebounded everyone. The Hornets and Sixers games our D was just as good. The "same old, same old, "low possesion" stuff" you speak of is the result of our D. You don't think those teams like to speed it up against us? You don't think teams like to speed it up against the Spurs? They can't. It's a part of our defense. As soon as our offense comes together, it shouldn't be long now, we'll see Spurs like results. No. Tmac won't bail us out every time. But we can be in every game with our D. When our offense struggles, our D keeps us in the game for Yao or Tmac to take over. When our offense clicks, we blow out the other team. We can't control how we shoot each game, but we can control how the other team shoots. The biggest difference between the rest of the league and Pistons or Spurs is defense. The biggest difference between us and Pistons or Spurs is offense. Offense comes much easier, especially with Yao and Tmac.l
I would just like to point out that in our miracle explosion and comeback NOT ONE JVG OFFENSIVE SET WAS RUN Coincidence???? I think not Rocket River
Did you see Tmac on NBA shootaround??? He said that they are starting to change thier style and that JVG's slow down style wasnt going to work. The only way JVG will stay around is if he adapts to the players like he usually doesnt do. If he does then it is because he knows his offensive system doesnt work like we have been saying the whole time. Did you also see how many chances we had to run the fastbreak lastnight???? Jvg doesnt coach enough of the fastbreak for us to know what to do when we run it. If he did then tmac wouldnt have been put in the situation to have to pull off a miracle. JVG had nothing to do with the win lastnight on the offensive side. Tmac was unconscious from 3 pt land. You will realize someday. We will make you a believer.
JVG doesn't even know what his offensive system is yet. We've seen just about every possible lineup. So yeah, he is changing his system because he knows it doesn't work. Up to this point, our focus was on D. Now let's see what we can do on offense. You won't make anyone believers. Most people supporting JVG is not saying JVG's system is destined to work. He just got done with D, which I'm sure you'd agree is more important than offense. I personally find it ridiculous you guys are giving up on him this early. If by ASG, we are still not winning, I'll be the first one to call for a coaching change. In fact, if we are not a 15-15 after first 30 games, I will start another thread about firing JVG. But it won't be because you made anyone a believer.
OK ok fair enough....I havent liked van gundy from day one and its hard for me to see why people like him. He is a good coach but not for us. Even if we start winning, I would like to see him gone. You will never see me call him a good coach for this team. We all have our own opinions. Many people have already become believers so Im not too worried. The majority of this board is full of people who want van gundy gone. They will just tolerate him more if we are winning.
For the record, I was correct. A couple places have the Rockets as one point underdogs, but most list it as "pick 'em."
On Betandwin.com they have the Rockets listed as a one point favorite. They have the Mavericks +1 and the Rockets - 1
Why wouldn't you like him even if he does win? Because you like watching faster paced ball? Which is fine btw. We all have own preferences when it comes to basketball. I agree it's the best if we can win and look good doing it. For me though, as long as we win, i don't care if we score 80 every game. I'll just watch our D instead.
Is it JVG's fault that none of his team could hit a wide open shot? They got good shots galore. Until you show me a team that can consitently hit wide open shots... I will never believe that this team has a coaching problem.... its a personel problem.
bump for this thread to be changed into a sticky nick, that's one of the problems though, you can't tell me that van gundy has no part in picking who he wants on his team. A clear example is boki going to the IL. He's our best 3 point shooter and he's benched in favor of gaines and bowen? That's definitely the coach's fault. The coach falls in love with defense and is willing to sacrifice offense for his "type" of players.
