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Fire Baker

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Jeremy Williams, Sep 12, 2020.

  1. conquistador#11

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    Every interception has its story.
     
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  2. IdStrosfan

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    Julks has been one of the 13 best position players available, but there is more to consider.

    There are only 13 players who have had 20 or more PA. So of course he will be among thec13 best.

    FYI he is 10th.

    Take away Maldonado and Abreu because they are starters and he can't replace them on the roster.

    That makes him 12th. Only Hensley is worse.

    He should be on the bench while Chas, Jake, and Tucker start across the OF.

    6 players other than Julks have had at least 1 inning in the OF this year. 5 of them have been better than him. Only Hensley ( w/ 8 innings) is worse

    But Dusty plays him more than Chas or Jake.
     
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  3. Hemingway

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    Lol. He’s got great stuff, but he is throwing too many mistakes and they are pounding them. I guess Dusty thinks his brilliant catcher will straighten him out.
     
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  4. Nook

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    That isn't going to get him fired.

    What is he supposed to say.

    The Astros are not likely to release him, and he likely hasn't agreed to a demotion.

    So as long as he is on the roster, Dusty is going to defend him.
     
  5. Nook

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    Exactly -

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  6. Nook

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    In fairness his fastball has actually been really good this year - the problem is that everything else he has thrown has been softball league caliber.
     
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  7. Hemingway

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    I agree that Dusty has no choice but to play the guy. He needs to agree to a re-hab assignment. /Dusty does tend to leave guys in when they obviously don’t have it, like Abreu in a recent game. I have much more of a problem with the constant shuffling of the lineup and the proportion of AB’s clearly inferior players are getting. We need to add some relievers and Brown is on the clock. The worst thing Crane ever did as an owner was firing Click and retaining Dusty, although I thought Brown was a good hire.
     
  8. InTheGroove

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    *** CORRECT POST ***

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    If you win your division (1st), I consider that a W for the regular season... anything less than 1st, even if you go to post, is a L.. think that's fair to say.
    Now, let's also consider those first 10 years to be during the "steroid scandal" era... so those results would be skewed.
    We'll look at total overall reg season (W-L), then post-season appearances (PS), record/results...
    Giants: (7-3), 3 / 1-2 / L (11-13)
    Cubs: (2-2), 1 / push (6-6)
    Reds: (3-3), 3 / L (2-7)
    Nats: (2-0), 2 / L (4-6)
    Stros: (2-1-?), 3 / W (28-14) ... we know the rest...
    "uhh you're welcome,
    Jeffrey Luhnow (2012-2019)...
    (ok we'll also include Click for some of the recent decisions during his quick little drive-by)"

    As I stated before... this team was already trending upward and was continuing to peak & streak over the last 6-7 seasons. This team managed to nut-up as long as they did with All-Star caliber rosters almost up & down, year after year. That ring was guaranteed to Baker.

    The way I understand it is: if he's such a guru & lineup wizard, why doesn't he have more pennants / more rings...?? Its not like he managed bottom-of-the-barrel clubhouses... I think we can all look at those teams and say yeah, those were pretty good rosters.
    I would like to see the 'Stros to take it all & Ol' Mack get stupid-rich (again) and to also be proven wrong by DB Pooper's bad to the bone managerial decisions... I just don't see them getting past the WC round, if they make it there.
    3962 games... 5 games over .500... mediocrity, middle-of-the-road, at best.
    Every time I see a new lineup card posted, Steve Martin's old SNL skit "Wild n Crazy Guy" pops into my head... & whoever said they thought that Manfred or someone high up in the offices of the league "imposed" this decision-- I absolutely agree. I and I could probably say 85-90% of the rest of the city would welcome a Hinch return and/or are looking forward to whomever manages this ballclub next.

    edit: ****...
     
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  9. IdStrosfan

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    I wasn't serious.

    I know the score.

    It would be nice if Dusty said."He's got to get himself right. We need to keep pitching him, just not in high leverage situations."

    Oh, wait.

    He did. Just the other day.

    Seriously though. That's what needs to happen.

    Lead 3 or less ( in order)
    9th: Pressly, Neris, Abreu, Maton
    8th: Neris, Abreu, Maton, Stanek
    7th: Abreu, Maton, Stanek, Martinez
    6th: Maton, Stanek, Martinez, Dubin
    5th: Stanek, Martinez, Dubin, Montero.

    Montero should not be in a game that is within 3 runs unless it's in the 5th or earlier.

    And if the outcome is in question, he should be limited to 3 hitters or 1 baserunner.
     
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  10. Tomstro

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    You’re a great fan. Need more fans like you.
     
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    In fairness, Montero has like a .420 BABIP against. He should be more along the lines of Stanek in performance at least. This wouldn't make him great but not unusable like he is now.
     
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    I think it's entirely possible for Brown to add a starter like Lynn, a reliever like Graveman (should have never let him go,) and a bat. You might have to give up 3 top 10 prospects, plus to get deals done. But it can be done.
     
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    I would rather just call up Arrighetti and seeing what he can do over trading him for a pitcher.
     
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    I can see this point.

    I would agree unless it's starting pitcher that is at the very least an upgrade over a healthy Urquidy.

    Anyone else and choose from the other prospects.
     
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    Bases loaded in the 7th and we pinch hit bligh Madris.
     
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  16. InTheGroove

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    ***MEDIOCRITY.... AT BEST..... give this man his retirement package and invite him back to your VIP suite for the WS.... they NEVER should've made the transition from Hinch to Baker.... its too dihcotomic. There was NO buffer.... this cluib wasn't managed "OLD SCHOOL" to begin with... came in here and fcked up a reall good thing.... GD now Im pissed.
     
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  17. phasors28

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    Why isn’t Korey Lee up? Not saying he’s going to .300 but he’s a better option now off the bench. Yes Lee needs to develop but the Astros need to put themselves in the best position to win. If we were up 5 games in the division it would make a little more sense but we are not
     
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  18. Stephen66

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    That's it! Dusty has come in here and ****ed up a real good thing and some people are not going to see it. It will be too late to fix it by the time it is realized. Click worked his ass off tryna keep that from happening. Now you've got Dusty Unchained. It's going to get tons worse. Buckle up buttercup.
     
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  19. Mr.Scarface

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    LOL. Revisionist history. Most of you hated Click for his lack of moves. Most of you can’t even name anything of importance that Click did. Crane fired Click because of the lack of player movement.

    Oh Dusty ****ed it up? LOL. Could it be the lack of replacement talent that has left since 2019 could be finally catching up to the Astros? Free Agents leaving and trading by Luhnow of top prospects and Click not able to replenish the Farm System (due inactivity and loss of picks) is the main reason for the lack of young talent in the majors. The Straw trade was really the only trade made by Click that has gotten anything (Diaz and Maton).

    Blame Dusty because you don’t like his lineups, but the GM is responsible for roster creation.
     
  20. IdStrosfan

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    Dusty has nothing to do with the talent on the roster.

    Want to be upset at Dusty for who is on the field vs on the bench - totally fair.

    Want to be upset at Dusty for the overall lack of talent on the roster or in the system - get real.
     
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