Besides the Astros, which of his teams were loaded? And "no championships" could be said of lots of great players, coaches, and managers in all sports given that only about 3% of teams win a championship in any given year.
Can it? Name a coach who is considered great (especially with his longevity) who has never won a championship. Players are different. Teams are self explanatory
So, since Yuli broke out of his 0-173 slump with 3 hits I’m sure he will be benched next game. Thats actually a good move by Dusty. He succumbs to reverse psychology.
Hard to defend him when you hear things like this. Will Smith: “this is by far the most-analytical organization I’ve ever been around. Dusty: “I don’t look at OPS, that’s a stat for the fans”
Absolutely. The Cubs won a World Series 13 years after he left and 5 managers later. The Giants won a title 8 years after he left. Neither of those teams were at all similar to his teams. After making the playoffs twice in two years with Dusty, the Nationals went 82-80 the following year, retooled with players like Juan Soto, and won a title the following year. In the 5 years since he left, they only made the playoffs that one year. Dave Martinez won that championship - in his other 4 seasons, his best record was 82-80, never made the playoffs, and had 3 losing seasons with last place finishes. Is he an amazing manager since he has a title? If Will Harris made one better pitch, would Dave Martinez go from amazing to terrible? None of this shows Dusty to be a horrible manager. None of his teams were better before him or after him.
What if Dusty was fired tomorrow? Imagine the media ripping into the Astros and MLB fans piling on for firing a popular "good guy" manager of a current #1 seed. It might be worse than the sign stealing fallout. Dusty could probably walk into Crane's office, pull down his pants, and take a dump on Crane's desk and they wouldn't fire him. He's only under contract through this year. Win a World Series and he'll want to retire a winner.
I know you’re not posting to me but I don’t think he’s “horrible” nor do I think he’s a loser. In fact he’s shown quite the opposite but just hasn’t collected the hardware and that’s not easy. We know he’s ground down his staffs in the past but I have no gripes with him in the PS so far, with pitching or player moves but some of the lineups are downright unexplainable and indefensible. So much so he’s now being asked about his lineups by the HST media which is amazing given this isn’t NYY, PHI, LA, etc. you REALLY have to pull some weird stuff to have the HST media on you.
I honestly think him and Click don’t like each other and don’t agree on a lot of personnel moves I think he does crazy crap in the regular season to piss off Click and Click knows it In the playoffs he quits all of that because he wants a ring before he croaks
I don’t know why but I LOLed at “wants a ring before he croaks” and yea it looks that way doesn’t it? Click seems to beat around the bush when it comes to Dusty’s decisions.
Really? He has a winning record as a Manager with over 2000 wins. Only manager in History to take 5 teams to the playoffs. Yes, he has not won a WS. You should see how small a list of managers that have won a WS. #26 all-time in Winning percentage as a Manager.
I remember the uproar when the Astros fired Terry Collins for a broadcaster... but the move had to be made despite the respectable record. And coaches of the year are canned quite often shortly after winning the award, and their teams get BETTER.
I love dusty baker the man and player. Not a fan of duty the manager at all but I don't want him fired. Let's win him a ring so he can ride off into the sunset a champion.
Yeah - I've never commented about him being a great manager, and I'm on record as opposing his hiring. But the data shows his teams do better when they hire him, and generally worse when he leaves. So the idea that he can never win or teams win despite him or whatever other nonsense doesn't really seem to hold up.
Yeah, they "had to fire him" because the owner got impatient. According to the article, they fired him because (a) he didn't stop a player from berating a reporter and (b) they team nosedived into a 90 win team that made the playoffs. They went 12 years before him without making the playoffs. Made it in 3 of his 6 years (including 3 of his last 4), including 2 division wins. And and then didn't make it the 6 years after they fired him. So how did that work out?
Dave Martinez is a better manager than Dusty because he won a WS, right? I guess this board wants him because he won a WS. The record outside that ONE season doesn't matter. He won a WS when his SUPERSTAR pitchers got HOT, Soto and Rendon caught fire with the rest of the cast following suit.
The difference: Dusty's team is coming off 2 ALCS appearance and a WS appearance. They currently have the best record in the AL. Who are they going to get that is BETTER? Terry Collins was a hard ass, decent manager....but never won anything. The team was underperforming. Big difference.
