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Fire Baker

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Jeremy Williams, Sep 12, 2020.

  1. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard
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    How many data printouts of Maldy's stats has he torn up?
     
  2. Yordan The Great

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    Hinch (2017-2019)
    3 ALCS App.
    2 Pennants
    1 WS

    Dusty (2020-2022)
    3 ALCS App.
    2 Pennants
    1 WS
     
  3. TheRealist137

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    Everyone was juicing back then
     
  4. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard
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    And everyone was stealing signs.
     
  5. cmlmel77

    cmlmel77 Up all Night Watching Houston Sports
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    And everyone was stealing signs in 2017.
     
  6. IBTL

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    Hahaha owned. ****ing owned.
     
  7. Wulaw Horn

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    I don’t think Hinch ever made a decision that wasn’t logically or mathematically defensible or thought out. He never showed his ass in the media or belittled players. Dusty does all of those things 3 times before lunch.
     
  8. Mr.Scarface

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    What has Hinch down outside of the Astros' organization? Won a Division? Made the Playoffs? Made it to a WS? Finished above .500? NO to all.
     
  9. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard
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    He did tell an umpire that "Technology can you help with that" to get ejected in a spring training game. I have never seen Dusty stand up for a pitcher like that... granted... I have no desire to have Astros legend Aaron Boone end up in Houston again.
     
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    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard
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    Which organization has Dusty not essentially inherit an all-star team? Except Cincinnati.
     
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    LOL. "except Cincinnati". That is still one more organization that had success vs. what Hinch has done.
     
  12. Wulaw Horn

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    I don’t think Hinch ever made a decision that wasn’t logically or mathematically defensible or thought out. He never showed his ass in the media or belittled players. Dusty does all of those things 3 times before lunch.
    The non Houston rosters Hinch has presided over have been hammered dogshit. Managers don't win games. Everyone (other than Dusty) understands the math- so it's just a matter of not screwing it up by doing stupid stuff. That's Dusty's calling card every day around 4;00 pm when he makes out the lineups.
     
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    Owned how? Hinch had a WS win where he was cheating. Dusty got a WS win with zero cheating whatsoever.

    Dusty has accomplished more.
     
  14. TheRealist137

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    The Astros had a competitive advantage en route to the 2017 WS win. In the context of what managers has done, Dusty has accomplished more than Hinch because he won a WS without having any competitive advantage related to bending of the rules.
     
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    Uhh what?

    The year before Dusty got hired.
    Giants - 72-90, 5th in the division
    Cubs - 67-95, 5th in the division
    Reds - 72-90, 5th in the division
    Nats - 83-79, 2nd in division
    Astros

    Dusty has inherited sh** teams more often than he has inherited good teams like the Nats and Astros, and he was only able to inherit those good teams because of his record as a manager leading poor teams to winning records.
     
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    and that's Hinch's problem. Over-reliance on analytics. Why not just let a computer make lineup cards?
     
  17. lnchan

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    Who did the Giants acquire right before Baker was signed?
    When did Mark Prior and Carlos Zambrano become fulltime starters?
    What did the Reds actually do...?
    When was Anthony Rendon's first healthy year since middle school?
     
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    I have a hard time being convinced that Dusty did more to help the Giants become a winner than Barry Bonds leaving the Pirates and Rod Beck getting his first full year.
     
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    Luhnow chose Hinch due to the mix of respecting analytics and the human element while not doing dumb**** like start Robel Garcia at leadoff just because he had a dream about it.
     
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    https://www.si.com/mlb/astros/news/...akes-thoughts-known-bonds-aaron-judge-records

    “What I saw Barry (Bonds) do, I don’t care what people say,” Baker said Wednesday. “I was with him every day. They want to put an asterisk by it, but them 73 that went over the fence didn’t have an asterisk by them when they went over that fence with regularity.”
     
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