Fire at TN Mosque site: Islamophobia still not a problem according to some idiots

To Tallanvor,

It is pretty clear from your posts that you have a deep seeded hatred towards Islam and honestly speaking you are entitled to your own beliefs and opinions, but when I read your interpretation of Islam I thought it was necessary for me to defend my religion. I am going to try my hardest to keep this as brief as possible.

Firstly,

The "Islamic" societies that you are mentioning in your posts are not actually islamic societies, in order for there to be an actual islamic society there needs to be a Khalifa(leader) and he needs to lead by the law of the creator and not the creation. The so called islamic societies that you mentioned in your posts are just countries where the majority population is muslim, If you use this reasoning then America would be called a christian society, and correct me if I am wrong but according to your reasoning, American laws would be interpreted as christian laws. Let us take Sau Di Arabia for example, in my opinion they are not an islamic society, they claim to be one but by my definition above I do not consider them to be.

Secondly,

Islam established freedom of religion before the founding fathers came up with the concept, heck even before America was even discovered by Columbus, to give you an example when Jerusalem was opened by the muslims under the leadership of Khalifa Umar(may god be pleased with him) around the middle of the 6th century AD no church or synagogue was taken down in Jerusalem, rather everyone was free to practice their own religion and no one was treated unjustly. "It was Umar who for the first time in 500 years since expulsion of Jews from the Holy Land, allowed them to practice their religion freely and live in Jerusalem."
source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar

Thirdly,

You stated that Islam oppresses women and in islam women and men are not equal. This is an accusation that people make at islam very freely and I can understand why, people in general seem to hate what they don't understand, it is human nature. Also the so called islamic societies that you are referring to majority of the citizens of the societies unfortunately are pretty uneducated both in their religious and worldly knowledge and to top it off they believe that they in fact are knowledgeable in their religion. I am not talking about the scholars but the common citizen. Here is an excerpt from the famous last sermon of Prophet Muhammad(Peace be upon him) "O People, it is true that you have certain rights over your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under God's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Treat your women well and be kind to them, for they are your partners and committed helpers. It is your right and they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste..." source http://www.themodernreligion.com/prophet/prophet_lastsermon.htm also read this article from a pretty respected muslim scholar on the rights of women (http://islamqa.com/en/ref/70042/rights of women)


Like I stated earlier, I tried to make this as brief as I possibly could, and I believe I did a good job at it, also just to clarify, this post is in no way trying to put you down or to change your beliefs, you are entitled to your own beliefs and opinions but this post is just me trying to defend my religion from your false accusations.

 

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Gotta love the "I didn't read a single thing in the thread but I'm gonna make some very ignorant statements" position.

 

You are picking and choosing your definition. Hypothetically, if I said I fear islam (not hated), I would be Islamophobia. Once I admit I am Islamophobia, you choose to pick your definition as hatred and feel free to call me a bigot.

Tallanvor got suckered into the typical arguing style that runs rampant in the D&D. Instead of trying to understand a posters point of view and even perhaps correct them on terminology, other posters choose to belittle, insult and/or discredit their beliefs. This is not the D&D anymore, this is a pissing match to see who is more intelligent forum.

 

You have to sift through the crap on here, I think, but you'll find some posts that are quite good.

tallanvor obviously has a deep-seeded mistrust of those who follow Islam due to some glaring misconceptions about the religion in general. The posts by Mathloom and vaids_13 were quite on-point about those misconceptions and hopefully tallanvor can begin to trust those who follow Islam again. If he continues to believe in his misguided preconceptions, then there is little reason for any debate whatsoever.

And yeah, sniping at semantics is worthless.

 

oh the irony. terrorizing the terrorists. lol

 

I do not mistrust a person because they are Muslim. It is the religion not it's believers I fear/hate. I have had to make this claim at least 6 times on this thread alone. Liberals will just never understand this concept; or don't want to.

 

I think it's the fact that you are using the word hate.

It's completely understandable when you tell someone you don't believe in or understand their religion, but when you use the word hate, it tends to trigger people's emotions (even if you aren't expressing hate for any individual(s) in particular).

I'm going to make the leap and assume you don't have any Muslim friends?

 

It's the religion, not the believers? So I can believe in the religion that you hate and you'll have no probelm with me?

You're going to need to explain that concept a seventh time.

 

Good for them. I really see those freedoms when I look at Israel today.

Again you can really see those women's rights when you go to these Islamic countries. Maybe you don't understand Islam as well as you think.

 

So you hate Judaism as well?

 

then go read the whole thread

 

I don't see Judaism as a threat to my freedoms. So no.

 

How is understanding the difference a liberal versus conservative issue?

 

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Yeah, Israel is a really free country for non-Jews.

Or maybe you didn't understand when he said those are not Islamic countries (countries governed according to Islamic law), but rather just countries with Muslim majorities.

 

Not sure. I would guess that it is because conservatives are more logical.

 

So why did you cite Israel as an example?

 

If Muslims were being governed by laws they disagreed with why wouldn't they do something about it, especially if they are in the majority.

 

Because Muslims want every Jew out of Islreal. Thus, no freedom of religion.

 

Please educate yourself before posting next time.

Thanks.