Fire at TN Mosque site: Islamophobia still not a problem according to some idiots

Do we agree that they are not treated properly?

I am sure that those who treat women as inferior in these countries somehow construct a justification that they trace back to the Quran. Of course, the more educated Muslims outside of these countries who would find it rather embarrassing how these people treat their women will say "no, that is not something that comes out of the Quran".

To the outsider, all he can see is "on average, Muslims treat their women worse".

 

Absolutely. The fact that women in Saudi Arabia, for example, aren't allowed to drive is ridiculous. We all know that wasn't written in the Quran.

 

I agree. adeelsiddiqui, for instance, apparently does not. He does not find Saudi Arabia backwards.

 

What is written in the Qur'an is that women are not equal to men. With such a belief in the majority, no matter what type of government you have, the type of laws you described above will arise.

(4:34)

 

On a backwards-ness scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the worst), Saudi Arabia would be a 10.

 

The nation with the largest Muslim population in the world had female Muslim head of state. Plenty of non-muslim nations haven't had a female head of state, including the U.S.

 

And how does that help all the oppressed women in large parts of the rest of the Muslim world? Does that change anything about the fact that the Quran (4:34) says that men are superior to women?

 

Agree, if the Saudis or any other government thinks women are not equal, let those governments try to do without them -- banish them all!

 

IT counter acts the claim that wherever you have Muslim beliefs women will always be inferior.

 

You are saying that because there was one female Muslim premier, first elected in 1988, that counteracts the claim that women are generally treated as inferior in many Islamic countries?

You are clutching at straws.

 

So why do you believe the Saudi government thinks women should not drive?

 

They are oppressive, but it doesn't prove that wherever you Islam you will have mass oppression of women.

 

No, I'm saying that it is possible to have an Islamic nation that isn't oppressive to women.

 

Just because the president was a woman (from a very rich family) does not mean that there weren't still plenty of rules in effect that were oppressive to women. There were and are "honor killings" etc. etc., just as in other islamic countries, even such countries that are praised for being secular, such as Turkey.

 

Yes, and even in the U.S. there are revenge killings, women make less for performing the same job that men are, get passed over for promotions based on their gender, there's racism, xenophobia, and things that are bad even in a secularly governed nation like the U.S.

All any of that proves is that no nation is perfect. But the nation with the largest Muslim population in the world put a woman as a head of state. You may also want to look at 2001-2004 who the leader was.

 

But none of these things are sanctioned by the U.S government unlike Saudi Arabia.

 

I think the OP was referring to Megawati Sukarnoputri, former President of Indonesia (elected 2001).

I believe you are referring to Benazir Bhutto, former Prime Minister of Pakistan. In her case, being the daughter of former Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto played quite a big role in her being elected, to say the least.

 

I'm not defending the Saudi govt. at all. I'm saying that because the Saudi govt. is like that, doesn't mean any nation with plenty of Muslims will have govt. oppressive to women simply because the predominance of Muslims.

 

I don't follow Pakistani politics all that closely, but for those of you that do, what are your impressions of Imran Khan? (former cricketer, turned politician). From all of the interviews I've seen him do, he seems far more competent to rule the country than Zardari. Is he still contemplating running for office?

 

That's not what I said. I said that you can't cite the Qur'an as the source of some belief when you have never read the Qur'an and you admit to not even knowing the difference between beliefs derived from the Qur'an and those derived from other sources.