Fire at TN Mosque site: Islamophobia still not a problem according to some idiots

Who blamed all Muslims for terrorism? I haven't seen anyone on this board doing that.

Attacking cab drivers? This was one incident by an obviously mentally unstable person. Why does this appear to excite you more than the countless terrorist attacks around the world which take place - as claimed by the perpetrators - in the name of Islam every day?

 

But fear is part of the American experience.

 

When have you ever heard Hakeem talk about individual rights?

And again, you keep saying you hate Islam while admitting that you know nothing about it. How about you learn about the religion instead of how the people in power in Muslim-dominated countries choose to govern.

 

Never

 

You're sounding awfully like an extremist. Hating and fearing everything that differs from your way of life.

Are you going to start throwing Muslims and Communists in jail if they became more popular in the U.S?

 

He doesn't sound like an extremist to me. Your attempt to demonize someone who happens to disagree with you is transparent.

 

As previously stated but 5 times on this thread, I don't hate Muslims/Communists, and would never deprive them of their freedom of religion. Why is the concept of hating a belief system and not a person so hard for people on this board?

 

Would you apply that to all religious societies or just Islam?

 

Then why not just allow the Islamic Center at Park 51 to be built without fuss and other Islamic facilities in the US?

 

It looks like it will be allowed, no? That does not mean that people cannot voice their personal opinion about it. That's called freedom of speech, not "fuss".

Why was it named Cordoba House in the beginning? What is the historical context of naming it "Cordoba House"?

 

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Because hating a "belief system" or hating the adherents of that belief system is the same.

However, if you have problems with specific government types, that's a whole different story and I would tend to respect that opinion.

 

Right...even though you said earlier that you're not intolerant towards it

So what are your potential reactions if Islam and Communism gained immense popularity here in the U.S? Move to Canada?

 

I have to disagree with this. You may hate certain parts of a belief system (like the parts where it says to kill all infidels), but many followers of the belief system might be followers of the belief system for completely different reasons and not even interpret that part of the belief system in that way. Why hate them? It is not the same.

 

"The Muslims in Spain had begun to focus their whole attention on what they called al-Andalus, southern Spain (Andalusia), and to build there a civilization far superior to anything Spain had ever known. Reigning with wisdom and justice, they treated Christians and Jews with tolerance, with the result that many embraced Islam. They also improved trade and agriculture, patronized the arts, made valuable contributions to science, and established Cordoba as the most sophisticated city in Europe.

By the tenth century, Cordoba could boast of a population of some 500,000, compared to about 38,000 in Paris. According to the chronicles of the day, the city had 700 mosques, some 60,000 palaces, and 70 libraries - one reportedly housing 500,000 manuscripts and employing a staff of researchers, illuminators, and book binders. Cordoba also had some 900 public baths, Europe's first street lights and, five miles outside the city, the caliphal residence, Madinat al-Zahra. A complex of marble, stucco, ivory, and onyx, Madinat al-Zahra took forty years to build, cost close to one-third of Cordoba's revenue, and was, until destroyed in the eleventh century, one of the wonders of the age. Its restoration, begun in the early years of this century, is still under way."

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How about using the right to freedom of speech (as long as it is still there)? Openly discussing why this might not be good? Yeah, that would not be possible in many of the countries with an islamic government and Sharia law, but in the USA, it still is, one doesn't have to flee the country to be able to speak freely, like you would have to in some of those countries.

 

"Fuss" and "freedom of speech" are not mutually exclusive. People complain about DD making a fuss about V-Span but that isn't denying him his freedom of speech.

Anyway no one has said that protesters towards the Islamic center should be denied their right to protest. That is why I said "fuss". Anyway you are missing the point of my question. If these Muslims aren't terrorists and have in fact spoken out against terrorism why then are they being criticized for terrorism? This is the point. Muslims on a whole are being held collectively responsible and the fuss over the Park 51 Center, the Murfeesboro Mosque and etc. shows that.

I don't know why it was called that and frankly it doesn't matter. They can call it what they want. I do know that there is a beautiful mosque in Cordoba that is an architectural wonder so maybe they wanted to refer to that.

I mean did you consider the Chrysler Cordoba to be an affront to your sensibilities?

 

I do not feel the same threat to my individual freedoms from Christianity or Judaism. As for other religions; I would have to go case by case basis. No matter what the interpretation of Islam, they all practice that woman are inferior to men in some form or another. Some interpretations include:

- A husband has the right of ultimate authority of the home management since he is responsible for them and is accountable for all aspects of their maintenance.

- A wife is required to obey the commands and instructions of her husband as long as these do not involve any act of disobedience to Allah‟s command and the Prophet‟s instructions.

- She should not leave her husband's home without his prior knowledge and approval, nor allow any person who her husband dislikes to enter his home.

You can say The Bible or Old Testament have other such archaic beliefs written in them, but I do not see them practiced like I see Muslims practice the above mentioned things. I do not want my daughters growing up in an environment where such views are popular. So I view Islam as a threat.

 

Your link is from "islamicity". Does it take into consideration the fact that Cordoba was forcefully conquered?

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In 711AD, during the first attempt at global conquest by Muslim leaders, Tariq ibn-Ziyad, under the orders of the Umayyad Caliph Al-Walid I, brought most of the Iberian Peninsula (what is now Spain, Portugal and Gibraltar) under Muslim occupation in a campaign that lasted approximately seven years. The Iberian Peninsula, for the most part, became part of the expanding Umayyad Empire, under the name of al-Andalus.

The turning-point battle that brought the Muslims to power in Cordoba, the Battle of Guadalete, was not a singular Muslim attack, rather, it was the culminating event in a series of raids across the straits from North Africa. During the initial raids, several southern Iberian towns, predominantly Christian in nature, were pillaged by the Islamist forces, which had been harassing the peninsula by sea since approximately 705AD. But during the Battle of Guadalete, whole cities were razed and a grotesque number of people were slaughtered in a general destruction that sent non-Muslim civilians fleeing to the hill countries.

At first, al-Andalus was ruled by appointees of the Caliph, most holding power for periods of approximately three years. But after a series of civil wars between Muslim factions, exiled Umayyad prince Abd-ar-Rahman I established himself as the Emir of Córdoba. He refused to submit to the authority of the Abbasid Caliph, who now held power, as forces under his control had butchered many members of his family. Over a thirty year reign, he established a tenuous rule over much of al-Andalus.

For the next century and a half, his descendants continued as emirs of Córdoba, with nominal control over the rest of al-Andalus. Abd-al-Rahman III, who came to power in 912AD, not only tightened his authoritative grip on al-Andalus but extended it into western North Africa as well. In 929AD he proclaimed himself Caliph, elevating the emirate to a prestigious position competing with the Abbasid Caliph and the Shi’ite Caliph in Tunis—with whom he was competing for control of North Africa.

Under the Caliphate of Cordoba, non-Muslims were given the status of ahl al-dhimma (or dhimmi, a non-Muslim subject of a sharia law state) and adults paid a jizya (or tax). Then, as today, there were only three choices afforded to dhimmis under sharia law: accept dhimmitude, pay the jizya and exist as second-class citizens to all Muslims; convert to Islam; or die.

And while apologists throughout history have tried to diminish the cruelty of the Islamic culture toward non-Muslims in the many Caliphates, many scholars have argued that it would have been both a “theological as well as a logical absurdity” that Islam would have offered equality or even pretended that it did. [Lewis, Bernard W (1984). The Jews of Islam, p.4.]

Taking into consideration the history surrounding Cordoba where it relates to Islam, the significance of the initial intention to name the Park51 project “The Cordoba House” cannot be ignored. Cordoba infers conquest. In Abdul Rauf’s quest to erect an Islamic center and mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero we can only be led to the conclusion that its existence would signify conquest as well.

http://www.aim.org/guest-column/the-consequences-of-park-51-the-cordoba-house/

 

That is a dodge because we don't live in a strictly religious society but at one time much of America did follow more Biblical laws which is why we have Blue Laws. In this case though it is secularism and not religion keeping back laws like that. What I was asking you though was about religious societies and not secular ones.

 

Yes. Or some other place. "Tolerate" means to allow without prohibiting or opposing. So I would be tolerating Islam and Communism in that case.