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Final roster spot - Pops or Dorsey

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Oct 16, 2009.

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If the final roster spot comes down to Dorsey or Pops, who do you keep?

  1. Dorsey - guaranteed contract, dominant summer league

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  2. Pops - More NBA experience, and not as prone to fouling

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  1. durvasa

    durvasa Member

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    I think Hayes will start at first while the rest of the team gets more cohesive defensively. Then Adelman will slowly phase in Andersen into the starting lineup. By the end of the season, I expect him to be a full-time starter.
     
  2. Shroopy2

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    Somehow Channing Frye's gotten worse every year since his rookie season. Thats the opposite of upside. Of course he'll be seen as having potential to get better, when he's lowering the standard low to begin with. I guess having another big who wasnt an all-out competitor along with Dorsey wasnt in the plans. Still not sure why he didnt get more time behind Aldridge with the Blazers, numbers game? But its not about Frye....

    I'd take Pops over Dorsey right now. I'd take both Pops and Dorsey over Cook. Its supposed to be a contract year for Cook, and even though its preseason against the Bucks let guys on TWO separate occasions blow right him virtually uncontested on breakaway layups. What Mark Jackon would call fake hustle. Littler Kyle Lowry woulda put them on the floor. And yes the Rockets lost the game by 4 points.

    McGrady on Moon, at least you could reach for an excuse saying McGrady was favoring an injury. There's no excuse for a healthy Cook. Dorsey can do that at least for cheaper.
     
  3. No Worries

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    Let's hope the Rockets season does not boil down to the final-roster-spot decision. I can easily see both Pops or Dorsey being end of bench fodder, for their entire careers.
     
  4. juicystream

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    Dorsey would foul the guy. That is what he is best at. He'd be great for hack-a-shaq team.

    Cooks big advantage is he can score, and would be great offensively if he passed the ball.
     
  5. leebigez

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    I think frye wouldve been the better choice this yr,the next yr and ever how long we're talking. Its easy for someone to project a rebound rate, but how can anyone compare a guys that hasn't played in the nba to one that has even if its overseas? I do understand the argument that fry hasn't been as productive as his rookie yr, but at least I see what he can do when given minutes vs a guy like anderson that has a steep learning curve coming from europe. Even in a youth or competitive movement like the rox are doing, Frye made more sense. He will play a lot in phoenix, he will put up decent numbers and he's still younge than anderson. That's not to say anderson will be a flop, I just think that it wouldve been nice to have a young big like frye and then back him up with a older guy or trade for a elson type as a backup. Split the minutes and the production would be pretty good imo. I guess we will see soon enough.
     
  6. durvasa

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    What you're suggesting isn't a bad idea. I think the Rockets approach, right or wrong, is to beat the competition by finding value in places other teams are less likely to look. As for Andersen vs Frye, it can break down in 3 ways:

    (1) Frye proves to be better. But since he's only got a 1-year deal (with player option for next year), the Rockets will have a tough decision to make. Do they maybe trade him before the deadline for a pick? Do they pay him whatever money he demands, hindering flexibility elsewhere? Or do they let him walk, getting nothing out of it?
    (2) They are roughly the same. In that case, I'd argue that Andersen would be the better deal because we have the option to keep him for 2 more seasons.
    (3) Andersen is better. This, of course, is what we're all hoping will happen. And if it does, then get him for 3 years for only 2.5 mill/year would be a great find.
     
  7. van chief

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    I think Pops has the upper hand.

    He plays a little smarter and with more energy/effort.
    I do like what Dorsey has the ability to do and the physicality he adds to the team, but he still looks too rough. If he had playing time with the team during the regular season you would hope he would start to come along a little quicker but he just hasn't shown enough to get that chance.

    I think a 3rd point guard, Conroy, would be a great addition; it would give us much more flexibility allowing the Lowery / Brooks combo more opportunities on the floor. Not knowing how effective our offense will be the more options and looks we can throw out there the better.
     
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    I am not sure if that does account for anything. He's won a title everywhere he has been to. He's a proven winner in the EuroLeague. I for one think he has proven something outside the NBA and that implies he is able to repeat it in the league.
     
  9. leebigez

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    That means 0. If it meant something, Laetner and all those other duke players would have won something. None of thos guys have even been to the finals or even the conf finals. It means nothing at all.

    Durvasa,I know what u mean, but i'm pretty sure if Frye was offered the anderson deal given also the chance to start, he wouldve jumped all over that. Its water under the bridge, I wouldve preferred the guy that's younger,nba pelts, and with a smaller learning curve.
     
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    Yeah, but he only made All-Euroleague first team in 2005.

    The 3 Euroleague championships had other players that were more important to their success. Trajan Langdon, Ramūnas Šiškauskas, and Theo Papaloukas were on the same 2008 championship team and made All-Euroleague 1st and 2nd team. His defense isn't there. He was guarding centers that had below-average speed and strength, if they played in the NBA. He's not as physical as Scola.
     
  11. rockets119

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    damn this is a tough one
    i think dorsey has a higher defensive ceiling in the paint
    he has a chance be an enforcer down low..
    pops is all energy, gotta love him too
    i would go with dorsey i guess, simply because yao is too soft in the middle
     
  12. saleem

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    Andersen is very soft on defense but somewhat intriguing on offense. Frye started of well,but he too is soft. I would expected some improvement,he has enough experience by now,but he hasn't been able to do much despite his youth.
     
  13. vince321

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    i think pops will make it over dorsey, dorsey played only the last few min
     
  14. DaDakota

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    Yep, I think Pops has the last spot, until Cook is traded.

    DD
     
  15. SamFisher

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    You putting your eggs in the frye basket will provide a source of amusement as the season goes on. Despite some abnormally decent 3 point shooting (42% - want to bet if that will last for a career 28% shooter?), he's already hit midseason mediocrity form - he's 22 of 60 overall from the field and not really grabbing many rebounds. Basically, his downward trajectory continues.
     
  16. redwhiteone

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    It's nice reading your comments people. I see Dorsey as an explosive player and in some spurts can really dominate the basket and intimidate people. Unfortunately, Pops is more consistent in his game and can be a good supporting cast for the team. Dorsey will go.
     
  17. Lady_Di

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    love to drop out Andersen and have both.
     
  19. Naija Texan

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    I think we probably will wind up with both. Of all the guys on the bubble Pops only competition is Conroy and I don't think we will carry 3 point guards when we need quality big men.

    Still surprised at no resolution to the Barry situation. The man has been a no show, buy him out or retire him.

    Or was he pissed off about the way things went down last season with him mainly riding the bench?
     
  20. Franchise2001

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    Barry rode the bench because of his play... he was given plenty of opportunities to step in and contribute. I will give him credit for speeding up the development of Aaron Brooks.
     

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