Bush made sure Iraq DID NOT HAVE nuclear weapons....they did not have nuclear experts in Iraq for no reason....they went to every and any site they wanted to....Blix had said Iraq does not have WMD but nobody seemed to care....he said the U.S should not attack Iraq but nobody listened....now there are a thousand U.S soldiers dead for an absurd cause.....and a lot more Iraq's to make it worse....Blix said there are no signs that there is even a nuclear program....you need a lot of space and well built facility to make it work....and Iraq did'nt have one....this whole war was a farse....he even tried to link Al Queida to Iraq....what a clown ....anyway vote for Kerry since i can't
According to the report, we can, but not against the US. if he did get to make WMDs, he would be doing so, first to use against Iran, THEN to use it against maybe Israel. Keep in mind this is a hypothetical of a hypothetical. So the argument that he was even a future threat to us is thrown completely out the window. as far as the pro-war people go, their reasons were always rather simple, even though it was never mentioned as policy. They hate Arabs, hate their way of life, they see them as a threat, they don't believe that they are entitled to own such oil rich lands and instead believe the US is entitled to own it. I don't believe that its a right reason, but i believe its the belief that they have which is to some degree reasonable. Any other pro-war person trying to use policy to defend the war is full of it, and won't get very far otherwise. The administration laid ground rules, those rules have so far all been proven wrong. Saddam wasn't a threat to us, now or in the future, he did not have WMDs and he did not have links to Al queda, anyone opposing this is allergic to facts. Pro-war people will try to cite other reasons but we all know, plain and simple, that they just don't like Arabs but know its a social faux pas to admit so. good post, glynch.
Cheney: Weapons Report Justifies Iraq War The Associated Press MIAMI Oct. 7, 2004 — Vice President Dick Cheney asserted on Thursday that a report by the chief U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq, who found no evidence that Iraq produced weapons of mass destruction after 1991, justifies rather than undermines President Bush's decision to go to war. Cheney here is explaining the up side of down.
even if he was a threat, he wasn't a threat to us. In fact he was the biggest threat to Iran, and they're evil and even they didn't pre-emptively invade him.
The threat, more importantly, was not imminent. The US had higher priorities than dealing with a crippled dictator who had future plans to reconstitute WMD programs, mainly to scare his neighbors. Saddam, like many rational voices said before the war, did not intend to hand any future developed WMD over to terrorists like candy.
ok either he is one f the most stupid man alive, or he is a liar. In what way does this support the war????????
Everything supports the war, silly. The birds gliding by your window. The leaves in Houston turning gray and plopping to the pavement in fall. The smile of a child as she runs across a playground with a friend. The war is the alpha and the omega.
Bush: War in Iraq Was Right Despite No WMDs Thu Oct 7, 2004 01:48 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush said on Thursday he was "right to take action" in Iraq even though a new U.S. report found that Baghdad had no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction and that its nuclear program had decayed. "Based on all the information we have today, I believe we were right to take action and America is safer today with Saddam Hussein in prison," Bush told reporters on the White House South Lawn just before heading off on the campaign trail. Bush insisted the report showed Saddam was a threat because he was trying to undermine international sanctions. "He was doing so with the intent of restarting his weapons program once the world looked away," Bush said. "He was a threat we had to confront," he added. It was the first time Bush has commented on the report by Charles Duelfer, the CIA special adviser who led the hunt for unconventional weapons, since the findings were released on Wednesday. The report came as Bush was gearing up for a crucial debate against his Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry on Friday in St. Louis. © Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved. For all of those keeping score at home, this is the mother-of-all flip flops. BTW, wasn't Saddam diverting all of that foo-for-oil money into his clandestine WMD programs?
Good to see you around, B-Bob. It would be nice to hear from rimrocker and RM95 as well. Did you enjoy your hiatus? giddy, it's not "Holland," it's the Netherlands. Holland is a region of the Netherlands. There was a Count of Holland, back in the day, if I'm remembering correctly. Sorry. My wife's mother emigrated to the United States in the '30's from the Netherlands, and could speak Dutch until the day she passed away. Sadly, her husband, an American born guy with a thick head, wouldn't allow her to speak the language around the house, so my wife and her siblings were only able to learn a little bit. Anyway, I probably know more about the country than I ever thought I would. Spending some months there, on different occasions, didn't hurt. I love the country, and did before I ever met my better half. The spin Cheney and Bush are putting on the WMD report is astonishing, or would be, if it weren't so predictable. Lie, distort, and repeat... it's been the mantra of this campaign for the Republicans from day one. The Kerry campaign just relies on incompetence, at least until recently, for their message. Keep D&D Civil!!
Cheney's comments reflect a GOP strategy to use portions of the report, including abuses of the oil-for-food program, to try to move discussion away from the central conclusions on the absence of weapons of mass destruction. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=703&e=2&u=/ap/20041007/ap_on_el_pr/cheney
Cheney's comments reflect a GOP strategy to use portions of the report, including abuses of the oil-for-food program, to try to move discussion away from the central conclusions on the absence of weapons of mass destruction. Could be effective. There is a strong tendency for people not to admit that they've been connedd and were stupid in their beliefs until it is way past time to do so rationally.
I wonder how many elitist voters this will get traction with ... Kerry: Bush, Cheney in Denial About Iraq Oct 7, 3:24 PM (ET) By NEDRA PICKLER ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) - Democratic Sen. John Kerry said Thursday that President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have failed to recognize a deteriorating situation in post-war Iraq and "may well be the last two people on the planet who won't face the truth." In his strongest statement yet, the Democratic presidential nominee suggested that if Bush fails to recognize the severity of problems in Iraq, then if Kerry takes office in January he will face a situation as chaotic as the Middle East in the early 1980s. "If the president just does more of the same every day and it continues to deteriorate, I may be handed Lebanon, figuratively speaking," Kerry told reporters at a brief news conference. In 1983, suicide attacks against the U.S. embassy in Lebanon killed 63 people, and the bombing of U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut six months later killed 241 American servicemen. Dozens of Westerners were taken hostage during that period. President Reagan ordered U.S. troops to withdraw from Lebanon just a few months after the Marine bombing. Kerry made the comments as he prepared for Friday night's debate against Bush, their second encounter in the final weeks of the presidential campaign. Kerry spoke the day after Charles Duelfer, the U.S. weapons hunter in Iraq, reported that Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction programs had deteriorated by the time of the U.S.-led invasion last year. Kerry said the report "provided definitive evidence as to why George Bush should not be re-elected president of the United States." Faced with that evidence, Bush conceded Thursday that Iraq did not have the stockpiles of banned weapons he had warned of before the invasion last year. But he maintained that Saddam retained the "means and the intent" to produce weapons of mass destruction and the United States was right to take action against him. Kerry rejected the argument, saying that the evidence of weapons of mass destruction that the administration presented to Congress was why he and other lawmakers voted to give Bush the authority to go to war. "My fellow Americans, you don't make up or find reasons to go to war after the fact," Kerry said. "Ladies and gentlemen, the president of the United States and the vice president of the United States may well be the last two people on the planet who won't face the truth about Iraq." Kerry then looked into the camera and posed his challenge directly to Bush. "Mr. President, the American people deserve more than spin about this war," Kerry said. "They deserve facts that represent reality, not carefully polished arguments and points that are simply calculated to align with a preconceived perception." Kerry said he still believed that Saddam was a threat, but dozens of other countries have the capability to produce weapons of mass destruction or are home to al-Qaida operatives. Kerry said the evidence of weapons of mass destruction was overblown and designed to "purposefully used to shift the focus from al-Qaida, Osama bin Laden, to Iraq and Saddam Hussein." Kerry has argued that the Iraq was a diversion from the overriding U.S. effort to respond to the Sept. 11 attacks and hunt down its mastermind bin Laden.
