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Final possession, game on the line, who do you got?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by durvasa, Jan 25, 2011.

  1. Someguy1229

    Someguy1229 Member

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    He did do exactly that, with 10 seconds left. Looks like someone doesn't know what they are talking about. I'm done arguing this, especially when someone can't even remember the time of game that the play happened.
     
  2. Shaud

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    Okay you're right I failed on that.

    Still not a dumb play since he got a wide open shot.
     
  3. Roxs-Redemption

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    PG: Chis Paul/Derrick Fisher/Steve Nash
    SG: Kobe Bryant/Dwyane Wade/Ray Allen
    SF: Lebron/Paul Pierce/Carmelo Anthony
    PF: Dirk Nowitzki/Kevin Garnett
    C*: Duncan/Paul Gasol
    Side note: PF-C for Clutch situations
     
  4. ItsMyFault

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    Kobe or Durant.
     
  5. HMMMHMM

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    How fantastic, goodtroll is back.
     
  8. goodbug

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    Kobe hit a go ahead 3pt shot with the clocking expiring in the final minute of game 4, 2009 on Denver's floor. That saved the season. Game 4, 2009 finals. 5 points down in final minutes, he drove and got 4 defenders collapsed, then passed to Gasol for an easy dunk. Next possession, Magic was so scared that they doubled Kobe in backcourt, that ended up a 4 on 3 in frontcourt and Fisher hit a relatively easy 3 to tie the game. OT, final minute, Kobe was doubled and passed to Fisher for the game winning 3. 2010, game 6 WCF, Kobe hit a few shots in a row to close out the Suns. Game 7 finals, he struggled all night but managed to get 10 points in 4th quarter and hit 2 FT with 25s left to put the game out of reach.

    Kobe doesn't earn any clutch stat in any of the possessions above according to Abbot's criteria. But it's those plays that decided the championships.



     
  9. durvasa

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    I'd take the GOAT.
     
  11. Johndoe804

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    Dude, he didn't pass "to a wide open teammate for 3." He (Wade, and in OT James) wasted several precious seconds trying to get open on the high pick-and-roll before dumping the ball off. That possession should be a textbook example of what not to do when your team is down and you need to hit a 3.
     
  12. clippy

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    You're going to be waiting a long time because "smart Laker fans" are as rare as unicorns.
     
  13. Landry92

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    I hate OP that try and be funny in a serious thread (except the one who mentioned Kevin Martin) that was funny actually ..

    But I'll go with DWade he cant be stopped going to the rim and he'll actually pass to someone that's open or ray allen on undirect screen is leathal ..
     
  14. viertelasiat

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  15. clippy

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    At least put him in the correct uniform.
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  16. supdudes

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    Hehe pretty funny. Seriously though why do you always have to be so anti-kobetic
     
  17. GreatOne1978

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  18. durvasa

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    Nice effort. He goes too far in labeling Abbot a "hypocrite", though. He also kind of misses the point.

    Kobe is considered, almost unanimously, as the King of Clutch, and this reputation has built up over a long career and not just the past few seasons. Abbot points to a lot of different information that indicates there is a gap between the legend and reality. That's what the TrueHoop piece is about.

    And the author, to his credit attempting to be unbiased, must concede a number of important points:

    • Kobe was a selfish player through much of what is considered his prime, golden years -- 03-09. He can not deny or excuse Kobe's poor conversion rate on "big shots" in those years.
    • The Lakers poor showing in crunch-time relative to the rest of the league is a puzzle, considering that they've always had above average offensive talent and their star player is believed to be one of the greatest clutch players in NBA history.

    Kobe did hit a ton of "big shots" the last few seasons. If I had to fault Abbot on anything, it would be that he didn't give Kobe enough credit for that. But then the counter-argument to that is we're just talking a sample over 1 or 2 seasons, which is less convincing than a sample over several years. Why? Because clutch stats are incredibly volatile year-to-year. Being hot in the clutch in 1 or 2 seasons is not enough for a player to stake his claim as the greatest clutch player of his generation or (as some of his fans might say) of all time.
     
  19. clippy

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    The idea that some players get better when the pressure is on-- the concept of "clutch"-- is a fallacy. Over a large sample everyone shoots worse in crunchtime because defenses are playing at full intensity and offensive sets become predictable due to time constraints. Kobe has a "clutch" reputation because he has hit a bunch of difficult buzzer beaters and people remember those when they go in, not when they fail. He's had the opportunity to make those shots because he's played more games than just about anyone and is always the guy taking them (largely because of reputation, but also because he's good at creating a shot in ANY possession). The fact that he's missed most of them is not a testament to his ability or lack of ability-- it's just the nature of crunchtime. If Kobe does have a fault in the "clutch", it is the same fault he has all throughout the game-- he too often tries to take the difficult shot instead of giving his teammates the easy one.
     
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