I don't think Morey will resign him if he decides to hang on to him for the rest of the year. Give him some playing time while Lowry is out and see what he can do, but I don't think he's gonna get much run when this roster is healthy.
So Bima, Feigen is saying that Chicago is offering a pick, but he won't give any details as to what kind of pick it is? Haven't read Chronichle, is that correct.
Dont know why people keep thinking NY will be soo awful and land us a great pick in the future, with Lee and Mcgrady this team can be good.... They prob wont be champs but they wont get us a great pick either........
BimaThug, you have a great underderstanding of how free agency works. It's a shame that other posters don't understand NY won't be able 2 premier agents and keep Lee and McGrady. Another factor is only 3 premiers have left through free agency in the last 12 years(unless you count an injured Brand as 4). Even if a premier free agent threatens to leave a team, they will opt for a sign-and-trade over straight free agency 100% of the time. A sign-and-trade is only out of the question, when the home team doesn't like the other team's assets. Nobody wants to take a $10-30 mill loss in salary, even if you are rich already. NY will lose many assets for a sign-and-trade, such as Jeffries(expiring), draft pick swap 2011, and 2012 draft pick.
Philadelphia thought the same thing in 2008 free agency. Philadephia thought this about Iggy and Brand, "They prob wont be champs but they wont get us a great pick either". Philadelphia had the 17th pick, last year, and will have top 9 lottery pick with a chance to get in the top 3, this year. I'll be ok if NY does the same thing.
agree, seems like alot of folks are thinking the knicks won't get a star or two. If they do get the stars the covet we lose big in this deal
I disagree, there's no saying how strong those drafts might be(2011, 2012) or how good the knicks might be, and from the early looks of it out side the top 10 the 2011 NBA draft doesn't look that impressivehttp://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft (btw a couple of the guys projected to come out in 2011, will most likely come out 2010) ....plus the Bulls pick this year is projected to be the 15th pick--> http://www.nbadraft.net/2010mock_draft But again this is all just speculation, none of us really know what type of draft pick the Bulls are offering..... --RB
The only detail I've heard is that it would be an extra first round pick from a third team (Memphis or Minnesota), somewhere between 16-18. If that's the case, would you rather have an extra 16-18th pick in 2010, or the chance to swap 2011 first rounder with the Knicks and to get their 2012 first round pick? It depends on what kind of headway that franchise makes. But I'm liking the Knicks picks more (even if we have to wait longer to get them). But who knows, maybe there's someone in the 2010 draft the Rockets really like that they feel they can get in the 16-18 slot. It is not clear to me how Thomas and Miller would integrate into the current team (Landry, Scola, Hayes, Andersen is already fairly crowded), and if the Rockets plan on bringin them back obviously other moves will have to be made to accommodate it.
I read somewhere yesterday that the Bulls already gave away their pick. It will be a pick from a third team, not quite as high as 15th (though in that range).
Doesn't look like that is the case. They don't have any outstanding trades involving this year's pick. What if... The Bulls trade Hinrich and get another first round pick and add it to their trade offer for #3? 3 first round picks in this year's draft...
I know that both Chicago and New York would be desperate to prevent the other from getting McGrady's contract (since they are competing for the same players this summer). So maybe the longer we wait it out, the more both teams will tack on to their deals. San Antonio is apparently high on Tyrus Thomas. Could the Rockets possibly attempt a sign and trade with Thomas to acquire Ginobili?
hmmmmm thats plausible. but what if new york trades nate robinson to the celtics and they get a first round pick out of that for 2010. and then we also demand they include that pick from new york to take on jefferies. that way we'd have a total of 3 picks from new york! yes?
The Bulls deal make more sense: Miller helps our center position and is favored by RA, Salmons knows RA too and could be providing some help at SG with Thomas as athletic PF in case we go against big PFs. Change of scenery can do a lot for a player so 3 players that could help now and at least Miller after this year. I would love Miller as our back-up and if RA has any say in this, the Chicago deal will go down. However, Morey loves those picks and loves potential so my guess is he will go with the Knicks despite the fact the Bulls deal is 10X better !! Think about it for a second. Hill is far from a potential great PF, a solid one at best. The other two players will not even see the court. Now tell me again you like the Knicks deal better ?
The Bulls are apparently matching the deal in terms of draft picks: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...ls-knicks-chicago-20100216-15,0,1290707.story The Bulls and Knicks' competition stretched beyond the Bulls' 118-85 blowout victory Tuesday night, achieved without the services of Joakim Noah. The teams also are in battle for Tracy McGrady's expiring $22 million contract. League sources said the Bulls have offered Brad Miller, Tyrus Thomas and either Kirk Hinrich or John Salmons to the Rockets for McGrady, who has been granted a leave and is training in Chicago. The Rockets have shown little interest in either Hinrich or Salmons and thus, sources said, the Bulls have tried to recruit a third team to get involved. Like the Knicks, the Bulls are offering a draft pick to the Rockets in an attempt to get them to take on a long-term deal. Some league sources believe the Bulls' offer is emerging as the front-runner as the 2 p.m. Thursday trade deadline looms.
Not that it matters too much, but Feigen seems to be overrating Miller here. I haven't seen him play much, but statistically it looks like Miller has suffered a steep drop this year and at age 34 you've got to wonder if he's basically at the Brent Barry point of no return.
actually, the chicago deal is 10 times worse!!! what can those players do for us this season? take us to the title game? no. they are just wasted talents on this team which is heading nowhere until yao comes back. I'm telling you, in the nicest way possible: THE NEW YORK DEAL IS MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER. If we want Brad Miller so much, why dont we just sign him in the offseason?
I can't judge until I see the pick details. Well, yes I can. Thomas is a bust and will be a free agent. I would rather have the big-man in the middle of his rookie season, on a cheap contract.
Thanks Durvasa, it would seem also that if the pick is in the 16-18 area that would be around the area the Rockets would have their own pick. Hence giving them a excellent shot at moving up big time in this strong upcoming draft. Morey would be a popular guy with those picks in this draft.
if we plan to win within the next couple of years with Yao still in his prime, then the Chicago deals look better. They got the young athletic power forward they are looking for to go with Yao. Thomas is also a shot blocker that will help out on defense. Even if you have a high pick from NY (in which I doubt because even if NY does not land the top tier FA they have money to add a couple of very good player in the second tier FA market which will definitely improve their team. Plus the fact that it doesnot take a very good record to make the playoff in the east, i do not think we will get lottery pick from them), you still have to wait for them to develop. By that time YAo will probably past his prime and we will go back to rebuilding again. Also draft pick is unknown commodity so you can hit or miss. You don ot really know how it pan out . So I think unless you can get another deal (i.e. Sixers for AI and Dalembert), I would go for the Chicago deal.
