So if we do go with the bulls trade how is that going to affect the starting players now. I assume Miller would start at center, and I assume Thomas would come off the bench, but what about at 2 with Salmons and Ariza? Do we bring battier off the bench and start Salmons and Ariza or what? Also how will the knicks trade affect our lineup at this time? Also what about this lottery protection with the knicks, what is that all about?
Although I wonder if LeBron falls through for them, maybe Joe Johnson is the consolation prize. I think Atlanta wanted to extend JJ 4 years. If NY offers five, AND can re-sign Lee, then tack on some players after a year (we'll see in what form the MLE remains in a year), then you might have a team. Even if the step down from LeBron to JJ is steep, it might be better than the 2011 free agent choices. Maybe.
I would say he is worth around $6-7 million, which means he will probably want $12-13 million. I would sign him for $7 million or less.
i don't think being in cleveland has hurt his chances at that. i do think not winning a championship would hurt his chances at that. i don't know what kind of advice lebron got from buffet but we all know buffet made his billions outside of the big apple and in his hometown. i still think lebron is using the free agent thing as a catalyst for cleveland's management to stay active.
i'm sure bima can do a better job at this but if you look at the knicks BEST case scenario for this summer they still don't have a great team. if they get lebron and bosh, they would've had to renounce their rights to all of their free agents. they would've spent all their cap space on 2 players, and would be left filling the rest of the roster with rookie minimum contracts. the players they have on the roster next year are: gallinari, chandler, douglas, and curry. the depth chart would look like: bosh - curry gallinari lebron chandler douglas and the rest filled with summer league guys. honestly they might make the playoffs, but they wont be great considering they have literally no bench but summer league guys. what happens next is, i think the big name free agents look at that and stay away.
Folks on the NY board claim they can sign-n-trade Lee and T-Mac before they sign the max players. Is this true?
That's my concern. He'll want more, and there may be a team out there that overvalues him. In which case the Rockets will have put themselves in a tough spot.
hmmm......dont mean to be a jerk but, yes, it is THAT simple. yes everyone should be fully aware of his extra year on his contract. but THAT is what makes him easy as peanuts to get in the summer. chicago would flip him in the summer (say draft time) to any team thats willing to give them back a smaller expiring). Say the timberwolves wanted to get rid of ramon sessions to create extra capspace (which they have loads right now enough to land a max fa like bosh or lebron lol not that lebron is gonna ever go to minnesota lol), they ship ramon to the bulls and bulls ship salmons to the wolves. there. the bulls easily get a extra 2 million to spend in free agency. also, where did u get the idea that we cant resign lowry or scola and also keep jefferies? again, I struggle to believe that based on all the facts I've reserached. and believe me, I know the rockets better than the back of my hand. haha
I believe the Rockes are using the Bulls as well. I think Morey is trying to see if the Bulls can really get a third team involved or not. I think if Walsh offered unprotected first rounders then this deal would of been done by now. In the end, I think Walsh will go with the unprotected first rounders. Jefferies is trash but he can be used during the draft his year, during the offseason for a trade, or next year's trading deadline. It's not all that bad as most people think it is. Assets, draft picks, and expiring contracts will help this team get better. That's how they'll be able to trade for a stud.
If the NY deal is as stated you have to pick that deal. As of now, I have not read anything about Chicago including draft picks in their deal. If they are, please fill me in. Even if they do, one has to assume given Rose/Deng/Noah they will be making the playoffs the next few years for sure. Even a third team's picks are likely in the teens, whereas NYC has the potential to continue to stink the next few years. As opposed to Thomas vs. Hil....I think Thomas can do more sooner, but what more? I see Hill's play so far as being more focused and heady (more basketball IQ). Thomas seems to still rely on instinct much more than Hill after 2 more years in the league. To me, that makes Hill the safer pick up in the long run, as he will likely have a higher peak. He will also be locked into his contract with the Rockets for longer. Thomas got drafted so high due to 8 game run of "brilliance" during 1 college season, before that and after that he has shown no real improvement to his game whatsoever. As opposed to who helps the team in the short term...Honestly, why is this issue in concern to this year? I love the Rockets. I really do, but even with Salmons and Miller, our defense will not improve and that is the biggest reason we blow leads, fall into deficits, and have trouble against Eastern Conf teams. Combine that with the fact that being the #8 seed will do little for the team as a whole, it makes little sense to pick up those two players who will not likely be in our future plans. I would rather give those minutes to Taylor, Dorsey, Anderson, Conroy, and Buddinger. I'm not saying we should tank, but it makes no sense to bring in those players in the short term to slightly increase this teams chances of being a 1st round out, as we will not get a good match up, like Portland, in this years playoffs. I love Brad Miller and have thought for a while that he would be the perfect short term solution at back up center for this team. However, if he is on such good terms with Adelman and looking for a team that has a chance of being the title mix next year, couldn't we just attempt to sign him this upcoming off season with our bi-annual lower level exception or the old player exception? I do not see why trading for him now would increase the chance of picking him up this offseason. Salmons is a scorer, but has to have the ball. Even in Sacramento, he only did well when he had the ball which happened a lot because of injuries to Martin and because Benu would not take charge. In Chicago it was the same thing last year with Deng hurt and Rose not commanding the ball initially when the trade happened. Since then, Salmons has done very little playing off the ball or coming off the bench. Then His defense is passable at best. New York trade is so much better than the Chicago one.
whoa. man. thats like seriously overpaynig for thomas. at least in my opinion. so no offense, but thats like ginobili money this summer
As I've stated before, NY stands to be the biggest losers come this off season. There's no guarantee they'll be able to sign a player that will make that team better. The Nets are in a better position then NY.
A day after the Knicks seemed on the verge of pulling off a T-Mac deal, the Rockets began mulling a serious offer from the Bulls, according to the sources. The Chicago Tribune was reporting the Bulls are offering Tyrus Thomas, Brad Miller and either John Salmons or Kirk Hinrich for McGrady. One of the sources suggested the Rockets were playing the Bulls and Knicks off one another. Coincidentally, they faced off last night, with the Bulls rolling 118-85 at United Center. Knicks president Donnie Walsh is willing to let go of Hill in order to unload Jeffries' contract. But Rockets GM Daryl Morey was getting cold feet in the afternoon about taking on Jeffries' two-year deal and limiting Houston's 2010 cap space, and it was thought a third team might be needed. "I don't think that would be enough for Houston," one source said early last night. "There's no deal on the table that's acceptable to all parties." Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/drama_over_tracy_deal_nqoGiznPV9oUPlzMuJdGeK#ixzz0fiNTvNWP http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/drama_over_tracy_deal_nqoGiznPV9oUPlzMuJdGeK#ixzz0fnAfnLDe
No offense taken. Thomas is younger, with more potential than Ginobli, and given Manu's injury troubles, Thomas will probably make the same amount of money Manu does.
I think a lot of people have already done a good job of breaking it down. If the assumption is that Chicago doesn't give up any picks, then its essentially: Chicago deal vs. New York Deal: 1) Tyrus Thomas vs Jordan Hill -Look, both of these guys seem like lottery busts. Hill was chosen as the 8th in a weak big man draft, while TT was chosen as 4rth but exchanged for the 2nd. Both of them have good athletecism but both of them seem to have low Bball IQ. However, if you're looking for the Potential word, it has to be Hill. Yes, TT has shown flashes of dominance, while Hill has sucked so far in his career. However Hill is younger, and is a rookie unlike TT, who after 4 years in the league is still lugging that P word around. Also, you would essentially be forced to negototiate with TT and get him a fat new contract, while Hill is a caqp friendly rookie contract for the next 3 years. Hill wins big time. 2) Brad Miller vs Larry Hughes/Al Harrington -Miller is the better player here, however do we really want someone who will make us better? The Rockets as is suck, and all Miller will do is get us a lower lottery pick, or if we make the playoffs, make our lottery pick a low first round pick. We can sign him on the cheap in the offseason to be Yao's backup (replacement when he breaks down in the playoffs). On the other hand, Harrington and Hughes are high volume chuckers, with Hughes being a high volume non converting chucker. We get Harrington, we improve slightly. We get Hughes, get ready for John Wall. 3) Salmons vs Jeffries -Jeffires is a good defensive (6'11?) player, but we already have a lot of defensive players in Hayes, Battier and Ariza. Salmons shoots way better from the field then Battriza, and would help our roster now and next season. Salmons is the better player 4) NY picks vs no Chicago picks This is the clincher IMHO. You get the picks, esp. in NY's case where you can swap picks next year, and get a pick the year after. To me, it doesn't matter if we get lottery or first round picks, with DM as the talent evaluator, quantity matters more than quality. Lowry, AB, Scola and Landry are our best players, and all of them are low first rounders and 2nd rounders. However, if Chicago gives us their 2010 pick, or 2 or more 2nd round picks I'd go with chicago. This next draft is deep folks, we need all the picks we can get.
sure, but whatever they bring back might use some of their cap space. probably not the best way to go. i see them doing S&T with lee and tmac only if they strike out in free agency.
Walsh is trying to play Morey but in the end, I think Houston gets what they want. NY would be a fool not to try and take this move. Their fan base would be in a uproar if this would be the hold up.
I think whichever one of these deals gives us the right assets to turn another deal, maybe one that lands us a top SG or an elite player, is the one to take. I have to think Morey's thinking of this in terms of what other teams want from the Rockets in order to trade for an Iggy, Martin, Bosh or whatever. In other words, he might be thinking of what will help the Rockets now, but he's probably also thinking of how he can package these draft picks and young players, or maybe some of our own players who suddenly are redundant, for specific talent. To take this McGrady trade at face value and look at it as sort of the end of the process is a mistake.
