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[Feigen] Fertitta disputes idea Rockets used the Trade Deadline to get under the Luxury Tax

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Deuce, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Yup! No question. I was just illustrating what needs to be done from a trade tool aspect. Otherwise his salary aggregation opportunity cost is out the window (versus BK's expiring salary next season). Just talking about tools.
     
  2. Jake Tower

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    solid Contributing Member

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    You wonder how millionaires became that way. The NFL for example, is there a more mentally deficient group of people in the universe than the owners? No business in their right mind would have extended Goodell. He screws up everything he touches.
     
  4. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    Wow, Tilman has quickly become enemy #1 on Clutchfans. lmao.
     
  5. napalm06

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    A lot of becoming a millionaire is ambition + frugality (at first) + luck. Most of the richest people's best skills are not intelligence or rarefied abilities, but relentless self-belief and, too often, the luck of being born into the right family.

    Anyway, let's also remember that this place has been a meltdown since the trade deadline when we got rid of James Ennis, the corpse of Brandon Knight, and trade-me Marqueese Chris. Tilman's worst crime is paying to ditch negative players and not being able to turn them into something better.

    Clutch's take is the most balanced, IMO. This is a stupid way to spin what happened. Yet, the Markieff point has some merit. It's not necessarily a sign of a mentally deficient super villain.
     
  6. biff17

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    that fact that you can't acknowledge that Smith was the centerpiece of the Porzingus trade means you are not trying to be realistic.

    Also you forget that Dallas had to take on the contract of Hardaway And Lee.

    the clippers got 2 1st and 2 seconds what else do you think they could have gotten?

    the wizards were trying to dump a salary and they want to resign portis.

    none of those trades were just clearing cap space all of those teams got a playable asset.
     
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    Understood, so basically the same issue we had with Luc in the offseason?
     
  8. heypartner

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    Agree. That summarizes Ryan Anderson.

    And keep in mind: The Bucks landed Mirotic for 4 SRPs at the trade deadline.​

    But there is more if we are to summarize the whole season of Roster Movements for the purpose of avoiding Tax.

    We are still left with summarizing why we spent all our Cash (basically giving up another 2019 SRP...we've bought one nearly every year, or used Cash to move up) and then we still need to summarize the lost opportunity of the 2018-19 MLE, which we might have already encountered via missing out on buyouts who already signed, by not outbidding for them....including Morris.

    Plus the Ennis trade for rights to swap 2021 SRPs with Philly might not be a big deal (in draft position terms), but it probably does make it harder to use in trade, since it is attached to a promise.
     
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    I did acknowledge all of that .

    I'm simply saying expiring contract > non-expiring contract in terms of value .

    Why can't you acknowledge that ??
     
  10. biff17

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    dude where did I say it was valuable?

    i was just responding to the posters question.

    why are you in such a rush to crap on anything that might be construed as a positive?
     
  11. luckyman76

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    What planet are you from, seriously? Owners don't buy $2B franchises to turn around and save money. They need the asset to appreciate so they can get an ROI. TF's goal is to USE this franchise as leverage for an ultimate sale. The Rockets ONLY chance to significantly improve the team were the picks and aggregated Knight contract. Morey was compromised from his dreadful Ryno mistake and the owner hamstrung him. General Soreness was our only way to salvage this dumpster fire of a mistake and now we have NOTHING. The price to unload Ryno before last season was 2 1sts. Morey could have had positive assets and 2 years of flipping to recoup what was lost. We just paid more than that 2 years later. The cost here is OPPORTUNITY as in we squandered ours for TWO YEARS and we KNEW it. TF NEVER deserves a break or the benefit of the doubt. His reputation precedes him and its consistent. I trusted his greed in this case to lead him to do the right thing. I was wrong.

    If you believe the BS coming from him you haven't been paying attention. These moves ensure that we are incapable of adding another significant piece and therefore we will be able to EASILY get under the tax. With Harden and CP3 we didn't have the BS time you mention to sit around a wait for a perfect situation. The time was last year and now and Morey and TF may have ruined them both.
     
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    No you did not you never mentioned Smith was the centerpiece of the Porzingis trade.

    And no an expiring contract is not always better than a non-expiring contract.
     
  13. heypartner

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    I was just using your response to acknowledge the answer and provide further explanation, not to crap on it. It's nothing more than tagging two posts on the same issue within a thread.

    peace biscuit
     
  14. MrButtocks

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    We traded several picks to dump Knight, Ennis, and Chriss just because they weren't going to be in the rotation? And now we're required by league rules to fill up two empty roster spots. What, will those new guys be in the rotation?

    What an insulting spin. Pretending like we might end up over the tax line when we've given up multiple assets all year to get under. At least be honest in your intentions.
     
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    Why would I need to mention that ? It's understood .

    IF deandre Jordan had 2 more years at 20 million a pop on his contract .... so you think the knicks would have asked for more or less ?

    As for your second point he's you are right ... but an expiring knight is going to be worth more than a non-expiring knight lol
     
  16. TheRealAllpro

    TheRealAllpro Morey only fan

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    “The Rockets’ unsuccessful effort to sign Markieff Morris, a move that would have put them above the tax line again, would support the owner’s argument”

    This isn’t true ^
     
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  17. snowconeman22

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    This biff guy is in the mood to argue .
     
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  18. biff17

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    Why are saying things you can't possibly know to be true and using them to continue your narrative.

    He could also want to sign here because he likes that he team and city and all of that is moot.

    How do you know how we will value Shumpert heading into next year, he might be the replacement that can lead to trading Gordon.

    nobody knows what Shumperts value is going to be on the open market or what he values his next team to be.

    there you go again looking at things that are the worst case scenario to prove a point.
     
  19. deb4rockets

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    Here s the problem I see in all he guys we trade who are supposedly trash. That line gets old with all he trades we have made the past 3 years. If all of these guys were just garbage players then why did we pick up the trash to begin with?
     
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  20. snowconeman22

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    We can only hope that at the very least , TF allows us to tank after the harden era .
     

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