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[Feigen] D'Antoni said Harden is "devastated." Open to considering strategic rest.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Deuce, May 12, 2017.

  1. fchowd0311

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    Maybe this is a crash course in energy transfer for you but 'managing an offense' doesn't inhernetly mean more energy expenditure.

    And now you are beating up a strawman. Never did I say that Harden needs to defend the opposing best player. I'm stating that walking and standing everywhere except when dribbling around a pick expends less energy than most of his peers who actually run the full court. Harden is allergic to running. So many times you see him wiff on a defensive assignment and then his team runs to their half court set with Bev bringing the ball up the court while Harden takes an additional 10 seconds to rejoin his teammates.

    James Harden needs to seriously improve on his conditioning.
     
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  2. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    Hey man, I'm just trying to help out here. No need to get all offended and stuff. Maybe that's why it's taken you this long to get over the loss of that chick, you push away anyone trying to help you because you fear they will eventually hurt you. Man, I feel horrible for you.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Are you seriously that personally offended about someone criticising James Harden that you evolve into a "bro you must have personal relationship issues with the p***y" shtick?

    Are you trying to be funny?
     
  4. CapelaOnlyFan

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    Lmao I might still that Avi for a couple days as my screensaver. That **** is hilarious
     
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  6. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    I know that's not really you talking, it's the anger.
     
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  7. YOLO

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    honestly man, he wasn't tired enough to not go out and party all night the days before and after games this series. I don't want to hear about any tired excuses for him
     
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  8. JayGoogle

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    When it is one of the highest paced offensives in the league, I'm not sure you should discount that.

    You keep talking about kjs of energy used so I'm wondering, do you have numbers on that? Because also remember, he runs one of the highest paced offense in the NBA and plays among the most minutes of the NBA.
     
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    First of all, there are no hard facts about your assumption of Dwight's offensive problems causing his defensive problems. Secondly, if Harden himself played defense at all on the perimeter last season, don't you think there would be less offense in the paint? Let me be clear, I am not a Dwight fan. I just strongly disagree that Harden needs more rest due to guarding centers the last two games as he has been a choker and turnover machine in the playoffs during close games as witness and agreed upon by more and more people here. Two games of guarding centers isn't enough to explain his choking and heartless behavior during playoff time.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    What does highest pace even mean?

    More possessions? So more possessions for Harden to walk the ball up? The rockets pace actually picks up when Harden is off the court. I mean how many superstar guards can say their team's offensive pace picks up when they are on the bench.

    It's really evident that Harden doesn't have the conditioning to run up and down the court with his peers.
     
  11. J Sizzle

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    FORM A LINE TO SUBMIT YOUR APOLOGIES D'ANTONI
     
  12. Newlin

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    We don't know if it works or not. Didn't San Antonio win championships before they ever started resting players? It may help, or it may make no difference what so ever.
     
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    I don't know what Harden's problem is. I am starting to think that he is just not a BIG GAME player. I have seen him falter under the bright lights too many times. I don't remember him even playing good against the Clippers that one year. Hell, it was Brewer and Josh Smith who really won that series.
     
  14. J Sizzle

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    This is statistically false.

    Harden on Court : 102.98 Pace, +6.3 Net Rating
    Harden off Court: 101.25 Pace, + 2.8 Net Rating

    But sure, man. Keep up the takes!
     
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  15. Pizza_Da_Hut

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    In his defense, I think what he means to say is that the Rockets run more of a MDA style offense when Harden is off the court (heck, I think MDA has even said that). However, he is confusing that with pace because of his rage toward losing the girl of his dreams to Harden.
     
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    We can talk about his conditioning and lack of conditioning,but I don't like the argument that he's not tired or spending his energy. How do WE know that? It can't be proven at all.

    I don't know, I think the evidence for it is mounting. The warriors do it too, Lebron and the Cavs do it.

    I don't see the harm in it and you do get players experience in roles that they would never have if they were to play their normal rotational minutes.
     
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    Is there a stat that shows much a player walks vs jogs vs sprints?

    Pace really doesn't tell me how much someone runs around the court. The Rockets pace his high IN SPITE of how slow Harden moves. You know that could be a plausible scenrio right? Harden also is known to push the ball up the court by making risky half court to full court lobs.

    Do you honestly believe Harden runs up and down the court as much as his peers?

    The Rockets high pace is attributed to them taking the first three pointer plausible in a offensive set. That's why their pace is high.

    Also, look at season splits post all-star break. I think the Rockets had a faster pace when Harden was on the bench.
     
  19. J Sizzle

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    The Rockets have a worse offensive rating, net rating, shooting percentage, true shooting percentage, assist percentage, turnover percentage, and pace with Harden on the court as opposed to off the court. D'Antoni has come out and publicly said that Harden runs his system just as good if not better than Nash did.

    Spare me the notion of Harden lessening MDA's system in any way lmao
     
  20. JayGoogle

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    Anyways, what happened last night had little to do with fatigue for Harden I'm guessing.

    That was mental. Whether it was because he froze up and got scared of the big lights and pressure and he was too scared to fail to perform or he simply didn't care too much...neither one of those is very promising.

    Harden didn't pass up on an open 3 to throw to Gordon (that went out of bounds) because he was tired. Something was going on in his head that he needs to figure out.
     

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