IBM, I dunno about leebigez being a Yao hater (I don't think he is), but I agree about some of the attitude towards anyone defending Yao. For example I said Yao can't stop being fronted in one of the fronting threads, and the next person's reply is to bait me into defending Yao's rebounding during the game even though the thread prior to that had no discussion on his rebounding (I'm guessing it was done to accuse me of being a Yao-only fan if I defended it). This need to clarify one's 'credentials' as a 'true rockets fan', Yao only fan, mac only fan doesn't help discussion. If you want to disagree with someone disagree with the arguments he makes, show him why you think he is wrong.
ibm, I know you're a roxfan that favor yao. We've had our discussion about it also cause you want the rockets to win, but u want yao to play well. A lot of old school posters don't care who scores as long as the rockets win. Just like DD said on the first page, it doesn't matter who scores as long as it has houston on the jersey. That's where the problem is.The faithful followers of yao are like kids. If you have 2 kids and you fix them a plate and you give one more carrots than the other, he or she is sizing up the others plate and wondering why they have more carrots. Many arguing in this thread was about yao being on fire and eventually a 40% shooter in brooks was going to cool off. Well can't the same be said for yao? If he's normally a 52% shooter and he was 9-9, could we expect him to miss his next 8 shots? That's what im saying that when the defense changed, the rockets had a quick answer. When yao sat down in foul trouble, the offense and defense kept clicking. Isn't that what the team is suppose to do or do we want 4 guys scoring in a playoff game?
The problem is that a few of them whining about a lack of touches but then people like you make it out like every single of his 10,000,000 fans also whin about his lack of touch. If you can count, can you tell me how many Yao's fans have whined about his lack of touches. And can you tell me how many Yao's fans are out there. Now can you explain to me why fools like you keep saying Yao's fans whine about his lack of touch? Answer me.
Because he actually has a brain while you don't. And I said this based on your moronic posting history.
why not? i love the team. i hate the supposed team captain said some funny stuff while his team/employer is still in the mix. thanks for the stalking, anyway.
They annoy me because they say stupid irrelevant dribble, trying to blace blame on why Yao doesnt have the ball and ignore Yao's HUGE flaws. Yao can be tripled teamed and completely sealed off and they will still complain that the ball doesn't go through him. It annoys me that they usually have little to no real team basketball knowledge, yet are completely willing to throw other teamates under the bus.
This Superstar is a well-known moron who suffers from acute inferiority complex and the only place where he can preach his hate is in the cyber space.
If you arent whining about Yao's lack of touches or what not then I am not speaking to you. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that I could have phrased the original thought a bit better to clarify that. There are many many good Yao fans that respect what the Rockets are trying to do, and even understand that its not just a simple process of throw the ball to yao = win. Those arent the Yao fans that many of the other posters here are frustrated with. Also dont rag on Yao's teammates when trying to make your point regarding Yao. It makes you look more whiney.(not literally you rockieguy, but the general you)
Well you said Tmac and his fans are often alike and said Tmac has a loser mentality. To me that's a cheap shot at "Tmac fans" and then you got upset after someone called Yao fans out. Kind hypocritical isn't it?
to say i only care about the team win and not who scores is just a cliche and nothing more than that. it's politically correct but in reality it doesn't do a thing. over the long haul, yao has the best chance to put the ball in the basket. that's undebatable. that's why i always say yao needs to be established early and often. it's also why mcgrady had the ball most of the time when he was still good. same with other teams. your best player is always the one who has the best chance of scoring or creating for others and that's why the ball should go to him most of the time. during the regular season we concluded some threads that yao was under-used. in the playoffs that can in no way be a good thing for us if it happens again. the blazers fronted yao occasionally in game 1 and we didn't seem to have a good answer. luckily our jumper shots went in and yao was not needed later in the game. it doesn't necessarily mean we will do well against a fronting defense the next game. so the op's concern was legit.
Stop trying to spin it. In this post you obviously tried to imply that yao's fans in general whine about his lack of touch. So I challenged you to count how many of them have whined about it and how many Yao's fans are out there. Are you up to the challenge? Stop whining about someone else's whining. It will make you look less likea whined. believe me.
i didn't generalize all mcgrady fans and say they don't know bball, did i? to me what mcgrady displayed right there in the interview was a loser's mentality. and from his fan's posts defending his act, they are displaying the same poor mentality. rest assured if yao or any rocket comes up with such a sucky act (which i don't think they will), i'd be amongst the first ones to point my fingers on it.
Wow we've been having an 11 page Yao argument and a 15 page McGrady argument simultaneously on ClutchFans! Well done! We're in the playoffs, guys! We're good! Let's cheer and break stuff! What's going on here?
Um, its not a cliche. Rockets fans want the Rockets to win. If that requires Yao scoring 100, or zero they want the team to win. Its not a cliche to anyone who has watched this team since before anyone on the current roster was on it. If Yao scores 4 points, from 4 illegal defense penalty free throws, but Scola, Brooks, Wafer, Artest, and Landry all go for 20 and the Rockets win 104-103 we wont be crying one bit. Technically Carl Landry has the higher FG% and check his hot spots for his mid range jumpers. Wow. I will however concede this since Carl is a huge beneficiary of Yao and the PnR. No Yao, not as many easy looks for him. They played behind him the first half. He torched them. They mixed it up and started denying him the ball more in the 3rd quarter. The Rockets had 10 possessions in the 3rd quarter involving Yao. One was a Scola break. One was Yao's bogus 4th foul that sent him to the bench with a bit under 7 minutes left. The Rockets scored 12 points and gave up 9 in that time frame. Shane Battier penetrated and got.....wait...did I just say Shane Battier PENETRATED?? Yeah, apparently the Blazers had nobody on that side of the floor(Yao was on the other side) and when Battier blew by his man he got all the way to the rim. Missed a shot, but got the putback, and then got fouled by Pryzbilla. The only jumpers that went in during that time frame was Aaron Brooks schooling LaMarcus Aldridge with a crossover at the FT line. Apparently they were so focused on keeping the ball out of Yao's hands that they didnt try to help Aldridge when he had a clearly quicker guard attacking him. Everything else was attacking the basket or FTs.
the number one priority of any offense id to score and by whichever means. when yao is not doubled or fronted, the #1 option is obvious; unless he goes ice cold. when he's fronted and sandwiched, we need to search for other ways to score; but these "other ways" should not be exclusive of still being able to find a way to get yao the ball (with yao being part of the effort). look, many times it's not the "bball points" that bothers me. it's some people's attitude. taking yao for granted is one of them, generalizing the yao fan base is another.
Shall I rephrase my original thought?? Apparently even with a clarification of what I intended to convey(again my bad for misconstrueing that) you still want to harbor that I meant all of them when I did not intend it. Most folks would just say "OK, a misunderstanding" and then move on. Ever hear "the squeaky wheel gets the grease??" Yeah, just cause you have a squeaky wheel(now that means brakes are in need of repair) does not mean that all 4 are bad. But one is since its squeaking. The "Vocal Minority??" There are a vocal minority of Yao fans that I am referring to. How more crystal clear can I put it??
yeah, i won't care a thing either if yao scores 2 pts and the team still wins. but since when that has happened when he's playing, and what are the odds that will happen? in actuality, when yao scores 20+ this year, we won the vast majority of our games. when it's 30+, we won them all. to me this is more meaningful than a cliche (yes, it is a cliche) of "i just want the team to win". what are the odds that the lakers are gonna win a game with kobe scoring 2pts? pls don't nitpick. obviously i was talking about starters. do you know who was the highest % shooter outside of yao last time? barry. and cook was not shabby, either.
So tinman and some other non Tmac fans have poor mentality? Or is there only certain fans you're referring to just like Larvs but didn't get into the specifics?
