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federal investigators find more than 100 minors cleaning slaughterhouses

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  1. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Sure we should have laws. Laws against hurting people and taking their stuff. Crimes. We wouldn't pretend having the laws prevents the thing from happening though, it would just provide for punishment when it did happen. I am against laws that are not prohibitions against hurting people and/or taking their stuff.
    I don't know that at all. Today is a far different society than the 1800s. Removing one regulation wouldn't automatically revert society 100 years. Kids have more access to education, more information, lead far more comfortable lives. Those that want to work nights should be able to.
    I think it is likely other people will feed them, just like now, only it will be voluntary (and thus better). Nothing stops every Democrat voter from kicking in money to feed the single, non-working moms and disabled. Everyone in favor of welfare could thus still fund a welfare system. The same thing with housing the homeless, green energy, and every other spending project that people say they want and bemoan being blocked by some voting bloc.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    The charity angle is pure myth. Having countless charities isn't as efficient as targeted centralized distribution.

    10,000 charities each with 100 dollars spread out across scores of states aren't as efficient as one federal agency with $1,000,000. There are additional issues if the charities have fewer regulations as well. Each charity may target only certain communities and have different requirements as well.

    One agency with minimal variations in qualifications is far more efficient both in their own cost cutting measures and distribution.
     
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  3. Amiga

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  4. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    So what? They have the advantage of not forcibly appropriating other people's money.
    Great. You can support the charity that targets the group you feel needs the most help, or the one that has requirements you agree with.
    It is, but it suffers from the problem that it is robbing people to pay for it.
     
  5. FranchiseBlade

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    The point of charities is to help people in need. If it the people in need get less or nothing that isn't a good system.

    I disagree that taxation is robbery. It is legal, and even with so many problems is still better than the alternative.
     
  6. tinman

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    Let AI kill them chickens and cows breh
    Robots
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  7. Invisible Fan

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    Employing immigrant children is the lowest of the lows that should remind folks that some companies don't care about passing a halfway immigration law if it interferes with their bottom line through the exploitation of cheap underpaid second-third class citizens. The debate is bullshit and we're dragging our collective moral fiber to the toilet as voters do nothing but advance a cruel status quo.

    No American will be caught dead picking crops at $20/hr wages in the same conditions happening right now. They'd rather earn 15 to flip burgers and be blissfully ignorant of osha violations involving the denial of breaks or buying your own diapers to avoid ******** on the spinach that winds up being served at a fast casual diner.

    Hell maybe 20 is conservative. Deport all illegals and would you pick crops for 35? I hear the pesticide breeze feels refreshing in the dead summer heat.
     
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  8. pgabriel

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    I worked a job with this PSSI company. There weren't any kids working for them. I've seen their job postings. They warn people of working with chemicals as that is what they do, clean. Other than that we aren't reverting back to the 20's. This article is playing up the danger angle. What's dangerous is dangerous regardless of kids or adults.

    When child labor laws were first enacted, kids were specifically doing dangerous jobs because of reasons like they are small and could fit in certain places in a factory

    This kid died In an accident in a poultry plant

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/16-year-old-boy-dies-accident-mississippi-poultry-plant-rcna94963

    The issue isn't laws, not that i agree with Stupidmoniker's anti government extreme conservatism. These people come here to work, a lot are sending money back home. In a situation like PSSI, the immigrants have apparently figured out how to game the system. I never worked for PSSI but I can almost guarantee they aren't knowingly hiring kids.i may sound naive but large companies don't willingly violate these laws. Before getting into issues like people are more humane than that, they don't want to risk the penalties. If they need workers that bad they will find at the cost of passing the cost to consumers. I sewn job postings for paying for travel and lodging for working for meat packers in the cold ass middle of no where Minnesota
     
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  9. NewRoxFan

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    Lucky that 16 year old died in that MS poultry plan *before* he could get hurt... relieving the need for child labor laws.
     
  10. pgabriel

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    Again the issue isn't laws, these companies aren't knowingly violating child labor laws. The kid and his family is gaming the system. Companies aren't risking penalties to hire kids, I'm sure.

    I'm not blaming the family either, it was an accident. The media likes scandals, but I work a lot of temp jobs, every company does their best to verify ages.
     
  11. pgabriel

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    When I say I'm sure these companies aren't knowingly violating laws, companies have to verify your age and citizenship when hiring and teport that information to the government for tax purposes.

    If they were knowingly lying about ages, then there would be more laws being broken. The media would do a better job by further investigating how these kids are getting through the system
     
  12. Amiga

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    No, companies, for the most part, aren’t going to break hiring laws. However, some of them are pushing for laws to lower the age limit for dangerous jobs.

    Legalizing work for migrants could solve many of these issues and benefit both employers and immigrants willing to take these jobs (with proper age restrictions). But instead, we have a simultaneous push by the GOP against immigrants and laws to lower the working age, allowing companies to legally hire minors for dangerous jobs.
     
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