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[FAVRE] Decision!

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by hjg877, Jul 28, 2009.

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Will Favre Remain Retired?

  1. Yes

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  2. No, he'll be back

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  1. vinsensual

    vinsensual Member

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    Its not his reason 100% but you can be sure that the Vikings were an option just as much about his familiarity with Childress and the fact that the Vikings play the Packers twice. He's wanted to play for the Vikings since he was not given the starters job at GB 2 years ago. He held the Packers hostage for the last years of his career with them. He would torment the fans with bad play (except the 2007 season) and the organization would not move on him because he was always waiting until the last minute to make a decision about retiring.

    Sure he wants to play for Childress, but he sure wants to get back at Green Bay too.
     
  2. blathersby

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    Green Bay. Do you think that will-I-won't-I crap only went on for one year?
     
  3. Shaud

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    There were rumors that Cutler and Urlacher got into it.

    Then Hester and Cutler had words through the media but they said their is no problem. You know how that goes though.
     
  4. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    And even though the Broncos are going to be terrible (Kyle Orton :rolleyes: ), I am glad that they got rid of the baby Cutler.
     
  5. Vinsanity

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    I think people forget how good Favre was last year with the jets before that injury. When they beat the undefeated Titans it looked like the Jets were the best team in football at that time. Then things sorta fell apart towards the end of the season and it wasn't all Favre's fault.

    I'm happy he's back. It's good for the NFL and as a fan it's going to be freaking awesome to watch him go into green bay with a vikings uniform on. Seriously, I KNOW you will all be watching. And for those of you who hate ESPN, well you hate ESPN no matter what, whether its the USC love or Favre love or whatever, just stop watching it if you dislike it so much. We are tired of hearing about how much you guys loathe ESPN. It's tired.
     
  6. A_3PO

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    Queen Favre strikes again.

    Does anyone really think he's going to be healthy the entire season and playoffs? Ain't gonna happen. This is where Sage will step in and possibly lead the Vikings to the post-season.
     
  7. Vinsanity

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    With the Vikings O-line, their defense, and Adrian Peterson..... If Favre even plays "decent" then this team is dangerous and a favorite to win it.
     
  8. Shaud

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    lol I got Kyle Orton as my backup QB. :(
     
  9. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    Then I pity you...well not as much as someone who has to start that joker.

    Mark my words - Chris Simms will be starting by the middle of the season.
     
  10. Shaud

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    Didn't he get booed the first day of training camp? That 3 interception game did not help him at all.
     
  11. Franchise3

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    God I am tired of this "tainting his legacy" argument. It's like the go-to argument for people who don't have a good reason for why Favre shouldn't unretire.
     
  12. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    Yes. He'll find that Bronco fans are just as demanding but in their own special way as Bear fans are.
     
  13. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    Well, I think the problem is that throughout history when a star athlete that has played predominantly with one sports franchise that doesn't want to hang it up and wants to keep hanging on but has to do it with a different team has always ended up badly.

    Examples - Johnny Unitas ending his career with the Chargers instead of the Colts, Hakeem Olajuwon ending his career with the Raptors instead of our Rockets, Joe Namath ending his career with the Rams (I think?) instead of the Jets, Babe Ruth ending his career with the Braves instead of the Yankees, Emmitt Smith ending his career with the Cardinals instead of the Cowboys, etc.

    Of course there have been some that have left and continued to do well like Jerry Rice and Roger Clemens but they are anomalies more than anything (and especially Clemens who looks like he was using the juice to continue to prolong his career). Now until his shoulder injury, Favre was playing well for the Jets and had them in playoff contention. So you can definitely make an argument that he hadn't reached the phase of "hanging on". But after he hurt his shoulder, that should have been the sign he needed that his career was over. Maybe he has recovered completely and will stay healthy the whole season, who knows? I mean it isn't like he has to do a lot with Adrian Peterson behind him, but knowing Favre, he will probably force throws that he shouldn't and if he gets hurt, continue to play.

    And I really think there are several reasons why so many people are tired of this story:

    1) The non-stop constant coverage of it by ESPN and other media outlets
    2) Favre's whole prima donna attitude about not having to go through training camp
    3) Revelations from last season about how he wouldn't associate himself with any of his teammates including even taking a shower with them
    4) The fact that he will play hurt which means risking the team's performance in winning the game
    5) The waffling - men aren't supposed to be this bad at changing their minds - now a woman? Yes, I can see this happening but this shouldn't continue to happen with a guy.
    6) And because it continues to happen, Favre looks like he is a media w**** who always wants the spotlight to be on him.

    The first 4 reasons are enough, I would say, to annoy most people but the last 2 are definitely the ones that I think have most people put out by this story. I read somewhere that someone said, "Looks like Brett couldn't stand the fact that Michael Vick was getting all the headlines and attention." Sadly, I think there is some truth to that. I also read somewhere that his own mother was implying that he has some issues and apparently it is with closure.
     
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  14. Manny Ramirez

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    Found this interesting article on yahoo:


    "Favre officially vilified in Green Bay"

    By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports
    Aug 18, 10:25 pm EDT

    GREEN BAY, Wis. – Maybe Brett Favre(notes) lost the keenest segment of the Green Bay Packers fan base long ago. Maybe he lost them when every summer began to orbit around him, and every roster decision was applauded or disparaged based on how it impacted No. 4. Maybe he lost them in one tumultuous offseason after another, when his emotional whims became reason enough to hold the franchise hostage.


    Or maybe he really, truly lost them on Tuesday, when he signed with the hated Minnesota Vikings, and then in Favre fashion, said “If you’re a true Packer fan, you understand.”

    That was the line that still had fans fuming as they filed out of Stadium View Sports Bar in Green Bay, aptly named for its view of Lambeau Field down Armed Forces Drive. Some fans that had flocked for the Packers’ evening practice on Tuesday piled into the bar to watch Favre’s news conference. And ultimately they had a resounding opinion as they filed back out: Favre’s iconic legacy in this city has hit a new low.


    “I couldn’t believe the ‘true Packers fans’ should understand thing,” said Ron Knautz. “I’m 54 years old. I’ve been a Packers fan since I was 5, which is when I knew what the Packers were. I got my picture taken with Bart Starr when I was 12. I’m a true Packers fan. Maybe a true Packers player would understand how I feel.”


    And that was an overwhelming sentiment pulsing through Green Bay, where radio talk shows were pre-empting programs and dumping everything but call-in segments, as the fan base opened a fiery vein. On the rare occasion a fan called to support Favre’s right to play for the Vikings, they were bayoneted by the next five callers, who reacted as if they’d just heard someone pitch the positives of joining the Taliban. One caller said he’d confiscated all the pieces of clothing in his house emblazoned with Favre’s number. Another woman said she had removed Favre’s autographed picture from her wall and banished it behind her couch.


    “I think it comes down to how you were a fan,” said Gary Nixt, nursing a beer inside Stadium View. “If you’re a Packers fan, you’re behind the team and you’re going to have that tunnel vision. If you are a Brett Favre fan, you’re going to stand behind him no matter what he does.”


    Nixt was among those behind Favre, saying “No matter what happens, he goes into the Hall of Fame as a Packer.” And he’s not entirely alone. Some have come to see the onetime icon as a self-absorbed football nomad. Others remain the baptized faithful, mindful of the 16 seasons which raised the Packers back to NFL relevance.


    The latter have long given Favre its own version of amnesty. They blame general manager Ted Thompson for not bending more to the quarterback’s ego. They complain that other parts of the team failed Favre long before he ever failed them. And they have been slow to fully embrace Aaron Rodgers(notes), the successor who they believe helped force out their hero.


    “Those people exist, absolutely,” said Brian Smith(notes), a Milwaukee resident who has been driving to Green Bay to watch practice and attend games “since Don Majkowski was a big deal.” Smith was parking his car across from Brett Favre’s Steakhouse, which suddenly seemed like a palpably awkward place to eat.


    “Some people love Favre and will love him even if he beats the Packers twice a year for the next 10 years,” Smith said. “He’s just legendary in their eyes.”


    You get the feeling it will be a little harder for those people to exist in Green Bay going forward. Yes, some fans will look at Favre now and see what they’ve always seen – like Elvis Presley fans who clung to his fading lounge acts in Las Vegas while still proclaiming him to be The King. Others? Tuesday took another chunk out of a crumbling mythology that may never be the same.


    “Of course it takes away from his aura,” Knautz said. “He’s coming back with the Vikings.”


    Knautz adjusted his Packers hat and made a sour face.


    “The Vikings,” he said. “I never would have believed it.”



    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-favrereaction081809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
     
  15. madmonkey37

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    Source: 'Little support' for Favre

    What two knowledgeable NFL people described earlier this week as an "issue" in the Minnesota Vikings locker room was described Wednesday by a third informed person as a "schism."

    The issue is quarterback Brett Favre, and the schism is the preference that certain Vikings players have for specific quarterbacks.

    Sources with knowledge of the Vikings locker-room dynamics say some players believe Tarvaris Jackson gives the Vikings the best chance to win, while other players believe Sage Rosenfels gives the team the best chance to win -- which is one of the new twists to this storyline. In the words of one NFL source, Favre has "little support" in the locker room as Minnesota prepares for its Monday night preseason game against the Houston Texans.

    Favre, who signed only last week, struggled in his one preseason appearance but could easily win backers with improved performance and victories. But as it now stands, one NFL source said these locker-room issues stem back to long before the team signed Favre, and it's possible they will not be going away any time soon unless Favre can completely silence them with his play.

    Vikings coach Brad Childress was even asked Wednesday about the speculation.

    "I've seen the same reports you've seen," Childress said. "Those are opinions. It's hard to shoot holes in an opinion. It's just that -- an opinion. I certainly don't see it."

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4424660
     
  16. baller4life315

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    I can't say I can blame the Vikings players for being sick of the whole Favre soap opera. I know I am. All the same, those guys need their heads examined if they *really* think Tarvaris Jackson gives them the best chance to win. Sage too -- although that's not quite as ridiculous as the idea of Jackson taking them places.

    Bottom line: Favre makes them better. Potentially a lot better provided he can stay healthy. Favre can't really play in cold weather anymore. Guess what? The Vikings are a dome team. A dome team that went 10-6 last year, lost nobody, added Percy Harvin and just so happens to have the best RB in football. I like their odds. The Vikings players just need to suck it up for the good of the cause and keep their mouths shut.

    Did I just defend Brett Favre? :eek:
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    If you saw the last game Favre looked very average while Jackson looked great. Near the end of last season when Tavaras came back from injury he had a few great games and if he can stay healthy for a full season definately has potential. Favre at 39 there is some questions if he can handle the rigors of a whole season. Favre, if he is healthy, is going to be the starter on opening day but I'm not going to rule out an ongoing QB controversy.
     
  18. A_3PO

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    I not only don't blame Vikings players for being sick of the Favre soap opera, I wouldn't blame them for being sick of Queen Favre himself either. He's a stuck up jerk who destroys a lockerroom. Why does anyone who thinks Favre is washed up need to have their head examined? We don't know he makes anyone better, yet. He has to prove himself on the field, not with past accomplishments.

    Even if he has a little left in the tank, I don't like the "odds" of Favre being effective late in the season and playoffs. Favre will likely get nicked up over time and won't be at his best when it counts. When it comes to "sucking it up", Favre is the one who needs to swallow his pride and bond with his teammates. The obviously false humility he displays when microphones and cameras are around probably drives his teammates insane. He's the one who needs to keep his mouth shut, cut down the interviews and let his play on the field do all the talking. Monday night, I hope the Texans rough Favre up, smack him around and he goes back to Minnesota with a sore rear end full of cleat marks.

    This will sound strange, but I've always liked the Vikings since the Bud Grant years in the 70s. It bugs me Favre is on their team. When he stops yapping and starts playing well, I might change my tune. But I don't know exactly how to feel about the Vikings right now. All Day is one of my favorite players in the NFL and he has to share the backfield with this guy. Minus the steroids, Favre reminds me of another jerkhead I could never stand: Roger Clemens. Not saying they are identical, but there are similarities.

    End of rant. That felt good. Sorry if anyone was offended.
     
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  19. baller4life315

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    Bolded because I can tell you didn't watch the wildcard game against Philly. Perhaps even more. I caught more than my fair share of Vikings games last year -- how many games would you say shaky QB play cost them last year? Hell, if the Vikings had Favre last year they would have won an extra game or two, secured a first round bye and consequently not even have had the opportunity to stink up the joint at home against an outmatched Philly team. They're a QB away from being a contender. You don't sign a Brett Favre at age 39 unless you're going "all in". Minnesota clearly thinks he gives them the best chance to win otherwise why would they even bother?

    Minnesota will be a fun team to follow next year. This will mark the first time Adrian Peterson has actually played with a QB capable of spreading the field. You know, instead of seeing eight men in the box all the time maybe he can actually run against a normal defense for a change. If Favre gets going and gets the defense on their heels, AP is going to absolutely carve them up. I wouldn't be surprised if AP continues to improve and has his best season to date.

    I'm telling you (and you can hold me to this), if (1) Favre stays healthy -and- (2) nothing crazy happens, the Vikings are going to be a serious threat next year. As I mentioned earlier, it's my opinion that Favre can't play in cold weather the way he used to. Enter the luxury of playing inside a dome.

    As for their away games:

    September:
    @Cleveland, @Detroit: Both should be easy wins plus it's September -- the weather shouldn't be a factor

    October:
    @St. Louis: Easy win plus they're another dome team.
    @Pittsburgh: Haha...well, let's just say he won't be winning this one.

    November:
    @Green Bay: A game that very well might have higher ratings than the Super Bowl due to Favre's presence alone. Tough game regardless of the weather.

    December:
    @Carolina, @Arizona: Again, weather shouldn't be much of a factor in either of these games.
    @Chicago: All bets are off here. Will be a tough one.

    And to spare you the lengthy response explaining the obvious: I know Favre isn't exactly a model of consistency and plenty blame him for taking an 8-3 Jets team and single-handedly nosediving a team bound for the playoffs. I get that. I think there was much more involved than just Favre breaking down but I would be a complete fool to deny that he was bad in their losses. Terrible, even. Still, this Minnesota team is MUCH better than the Jets team that went 4-12 the year before his arrival. Minnesota is stacked and they're ready to make a run now. I like the combination of having AP's elite running ability plus the seemingly advantageous schedule for helping to ease Favre's transition into this new offense. I think he'll do well provided he can stay healthy. He'll still be the same Brett Favre throwing off his back foot into the middle of the field and taking chances but he's still good enough to get the job done and give a team like Minnesota the extra edge that they weren't getting from their Arena Football League level QB's.
     
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  20. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    So I take it, A_3PO, that you think that Favre is nothing more than a big

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